HK-600GT 3D Electric Helicopter Kit w/o blades (UK Warehouse)
Finally, big scale heli flight on a small-scale budget. The HK-600GT breaks all the rules and sets a new precedence in big 3D heli value. Modeled on the famous, award winning and proven T-Rex 600, the HK-600GT will push your 3D flight skills to their limits.
The 600GT is an exciting helicopter to see in action as it roars through the sky and is surprisingly much easier to fly than a smaller version.
It's 7075 alloy head ensures hard core 3D pilots wont be dissapointed in the performance and the simple yet light weight and attractive cowl plus Titanium anodized components make this a visually stunning helicopter with performance to back it up! We guarantee you wont find a better priced heli of this size anywhere!
Features. Light weight design provides awesome flight performance and extreme 3D capability. Rotor head/tail with thrust bearings. Center of gravity of battery tray designed close to the rotor head. High efficiency belt driven tail.
Fully driven tail auto rotation system. Tail servo boom mount. Carbon Fibre boom support rods and tail servo mount. Carbon Fiber main frame, tail Fins and anti-rotation bracket.
I'd say go even smaller to the 450 size. It's still fly able in a decent breeze, and not so intimidating. And importantly, spares are very cheap when you ding something.
In fact buy two 450 and use one as a source of spare parts until you know which bits break most, or you stop crashing! Some items like blades and tail tubes can be bought in bulk very easily at auction.
As a second helicopter, after the 450, this one would be fine, but Roger is right about the 500, it's a good one, especially if you can't see the tiny components in the 450.
no!! everyone says 450 but they are too small. too hard to work on with kiddie size nuts and bolts. also a slight breeze and if you're learning you've had it!! every knock it rips the teeth and feathershaft and main shaft every time. 500 spares are the same price and much much easier to work on with adult hands and to fly because of the extra weight.
I learned to fly in 1972 on a Schluter Cobra. Everything looks small and fiddly compared with that.
If you can afford it, buy the biggest. The Raptor 30 or e550 is a great trainer, and the schools use them, probably because they are better designed.
But for many, the 450 is fine, not well designed, but easy and cheap to repair. It flies in winds that are too strong for many a training aeroplane. It's less than half the price of a 500, a major consideration for many people.
yes of course you are correct about the price. i hadn't taken that into consideration. it's only my opinion of course but when i see people move from a 450 to 500 they wonder what all the fuss is about. budget though is a huge part of this hobby and why we use HK. they're prices are simply unbeatable. they also had a large tent at a model show in the uk this weekend which was nice for them to show their prices compared to all the uk model shops that rip people off left right and centre. hk were showing a 10s nanotek lipo which was ½* the price of FAST LADS. in fact all their batteries are virtually half price.
I am sorry that I missed that show, perhaps you mean the one in Weston. In my experience the main learning process with the Align designs is how to fix it after it has fallen apart. They don't use locking nuts, and rely a lot on thread locking adhesive to hold together, even really critical items like the blades!! The motor is in the wrong place, so the battery hangs on a silly perch at the front, and the skids are too low for grass and gravel so the tail rotor is damaged easily. It's a very flawed series, and the 450, 500, and 600 all exhibit many design errors. Beginners tend to assume that when they have paid out for a kit that's the end of the spending. Not so, they will need to keep buying replacement main gears, rotor blades, feathering shafts and tail tubes because of crashes, and tail gearboxes because they quickly wear out. A cheaper plastic version will teach people a lot, and then they should gradually change over to alloy components to improve the smoothness of response, and durability. Really, it's best to buy two kits and have one as a source of spares.
I have the HK500 TT and it's a much nicer size than the 450, but cost is important at the crashing and hovering stage. You dare not lose a few weeks for shortage of spares.
Currently I have several 450s and a 500. But I also have an Eco8 and a Raptor 550. It makes it easy to compare design quality. Some of the nonsense you get on the smaller designs is completely missing on the Eco8 and Raptor. In fact I can't recall anything falling off a Raptor or Eco8 the way that it does with the smaller ones. That's not due to construction quality, it's purely through better design.
So, learn on a very cheap 450 or 500, but move on as soon as you can to a European kit, or one of the better Japanese ones.
i have many from sab goblin 700 & 500 to hk500 flybarless (best hk yet i think as there is no slop in head, yet to test but 70 quid!!!) but i use most of the time (and have 3) the gaui 425 (500 size) kits are £*100 and the spares dirt cheap. it takes full size servos so the choice is vast for electrics and the crashes i have had and never replaced the main or feathering shaft. the gears are stepped so at least 8mm thick and never shred. also the belt drive gear is metal so that never needs replacing. great little heli. ref design with tail so close to ground, a great tip i put on all my 500's the hk 600 landing struts and tubes as they are 4 bucks, lift the heli up so the tail doesn't drag and also give you better orientation when the heli is at distance. try them.
Thanks I will look at the Sab next, they are Italian I believe, so should be well thought through.
Great minds think alike, I have 500 undercarriages on my 450s. Why don't Align do that!! Duh!
I have a 450 flybarless, and that too is much less sloppy, as you said than the Flybarl versions.
I will also look at the Gaui. I had assumed it was a small one, but if it's the next size up that makes a lot more sense. Thanks.
the sabs are fantastic but beware once you start down the dark side!! sab 700 cost me £*1400.00 to get airborne and the 500 was £*850.00 !!! i cant fly them as well as the gauis as i'm too scared to even scratch one!! it's just not as enjoyable when you have that amount of money in the air. check out my you tube channel roger40000
Where do you get Gaui? That looks to have the motor in the right place, at least? All my copters are getting a bit old, so I need to look at something more recent.
As for cost, my first two Schluters cost £*150 each when my annual salary was £*1100 and my first house cost £*1000. I can't believe it, and I was there.
just type gaui 425 into ebay. a big german company sell them called conrad electronics. it will arrive in 2 days. HK sell the spares or buzzflyer sell the heli for about £*130 i think and the spares are all over net. and yes the engine is in the correct place!!! also the 550 mod cost £*15.00 plus a set of 550 blades.
Sorry Tony27nine i put a 450 link in i meant to put in this link for the 600 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyRbfm8xUPA
600 size I would say would be a bit much for learning to be honest a 450 would be better in my view.
Are there any scale canopies for this heli? Also. would this be OK as a first heli…*I've heard that large helps are easier to learn on than small ones. I've been flying a micro (MSR) but want to learn how to fly a larger model.
There are Scale set ups that will fit the 450 but you will need to have a good look around,here's a link to one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYyeKP6lwKo
some people have learned on 450's but you must be aware that they are more involved to set up and fly than a fixed pitch heli and also a lot more powerful.
I previously had an esky honney bee king 3 and i find this FAR more stable. makes a great first heli the fixed pitch heli's arn't too much different just remember not to put it into "idle up" or you could be buying a few new parts... I would say it would make a good first heli, make some training gear (pleanty of vids online) and get a flight simulator like FMS *FREE* or purchase a simulator cable and software package of amazon for as little as £*8 and learn to fly on that, mine came with Realflight G4 which is a fantastic sim. any other questions please don't hesitate to contact me!
Another alternative would be the Blade Mcpx its a small Heli that thinks it's a much bigger one and they bounce well too so the repairs are not as forth coming as larger helis and perfect to learn with.
if your looking for alot more power for cheap try the turnigy sk3 competition series 700 size /560 kv motor
its a real beast you can get around 4000 watts out of it a serious upgrade its for a 12s lipo set up thow only