T-45 R/C EPO Jet (Kit)

 RC Roller 11 points

you don't, it is as you you said separate controls for elevators and ailerons.

 aeronautical 71 points

Product=10985 Turnigy 2615 EDF Outrunner 4800kv for 55/64mm i used this motor and it works great with a 40 amp esc with 3s lipo! (you have to get your own screws/bolts to secure the motor to the motor impeller hub. www.link

 louisweb 46 points

Thanks! rather similar combination. can you email the link again to: louisweb*hotmail****

 Washington 40 points

The wing is to thin to carve a space for the wheels. Also note that mine (I got the PNF version) comes with the EDF fan glued to the fuselage, without any access hatch to the fan itself. You will have to cut the plane in half and force the EDF out, so not an easy project.

 Washington 40 points

I changed the stock motor I had for this www.link better performance, about 26A (30Ap) with a 2200mAh 25C. My 40A ESC doesn't even get warm. Changing the motor is easy, since there is a hatch to access it.

 Dan 16 points

You could fold the wheels up into the middle of the aircraft in the wing. You may want to add some strength to the area of the wing you will have to cut through

 RC Roller 11 points

I found changing the motor to be very difficult until I just cut the whole thing out and then glued it all back in.

 Aaron 22 points

USA warehouse please.

 TheScud 26 points

AGREE!!

 James 2 points

Find it cheaper and almost as fast to order from international warehouse. No crazy customs fees to Canada.

 TheScud 26 points

Kit should include rods & hardware. If not, standard DuBro parts will suffice (you can never count on QC for parts check, but YES< they should be in there). Servoless retracts would be a better option than cheap air retracts for sure. Re: motor, the 2610 should fit, but depending on what kind of packs you wanna use, you may consider something less KV than can take more LiPo..just my 2 cents.

 solentlife 117 points

I finally ditched the wheels ... changed the 5000 for the advised 4300kv motor (Turnigy 2810 EDF motor) 70A ESC, 3S 2200 25C LiPo ... very nice smooth flyer.

 Ek-trician 307 points

With that set-up you can use a 4S battery, I'm using about the same, except the motor is a 2815, 4500kv. The battery is an 1800/4S/30C. Plane flies much better, but only get 3-4 minutes depending on how I fly it.

 FireHawx 81 points

Run it!!!

 TheScud 26 points

Hey guys - I decided to post again, since if you run-down the latest, it seems the big question here concerns LiPo... "Do I go for 3S, and eek out more Mah, or do I go 4S and forego the airtime??.." To answer this, you need to consider 3 key things: 1) Overall Weight of Plane relative to HOW GOOD AM I AS A PILOT? (potentially flying a heavier plane, more likely to tip-stall and introduce other ****) 2) How fast do I want to fly this and 3) Do I care about longer flight times... I'm a fair guy and to be perfectly honest, this is NOT an easy question to simply answer - and for many of us (including ME) my optimal solution was to do this: BUY TWO OF THEM!! First, kudos to HK, this truly is a beautiful EPO flying machine and gets plenty of looks at the field, even a humble foamy. Next, this T-45 is VERY forgiving - In practical English this means you can land without flaps DEFINITELY on 3S, given the weight/wing-loading, and a intermediate pilot should be able to have little or no issues landing 4S with no flaps. My biggest complaint with this aircraft is with just 2 or 3 extra inches of wing, she could probably accomodate a 2650/2700 mah pack and allow 4.5-6 minute flights instead of 2-3 (4S 1800) or 3-4 on 3S/2200. For what it's worth, I found that a 4S/2200 was just the threshold where the plane started to feel funky in the air due to extra weight. DO NOT TRY ANYTHING BIGGER - If you hand launch she'll get into the air, just in time to figure out she ain't flyable. Bottom line is if you like more speed, you'll need to use 4S on BELOW-4400KV and you can eek out 3 minutes (4 if you manage throttle, but I dont like to fly this plane that way). With KV selection, it all comes down to how migh flight time do you want, and how much current draw can my ESC handle. I see most people have come to the conclusion that 60/70amp is perfectly appropriate, even tho HK site says 30!! I concur, and please also know that with higher amp ESC you can experiement with different numbers of fan blades. Makes a BIG difference, so dont be afraid to mix and match rotors and throw that sucker on the ol' Watt-Meter and compare notes. Luckino - I am no authority, but I will say your 3S setup above is damn close to my best 3S setup, although I opted to push to 4100 KV and 5 or 6 blade ** the plane is a bit faster with not alot of lost flight time or extra draw versus 5 blades. For 4S packs I use the 3800kv and 7 blade, the extra blade more than makes up for the lower rev's and both planes fly champ-like. I will admit, I can be more cavalier with landings on 3S in a cross-wind, again, LESS WEIGHT = BIG PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCES - Sorry to write a book, but if you really think this through, you'll probably arrive at a better experience with this aircraft, and likely, you just might end up with 2 of 'em to fly!! Best wishes- I really dig this plane and think it's an even better first-time EDF than the F-18A/C - BOTH are very stable and easy to hand launch/belly-land. Having said that (and having flown both airframes extensively) * I think an intermediate looking to get better will find they actually learn more about jet vs prop handling/ flying with the Goshawk, over the F18... just my 2 cents, I really hope this helps people make a better choice!

 soryn81 1 points

this was my first jet, i used a 8 blades fan, 4800kv motor 3s 2200mah nanotech, really fast , lots of fun. lost the plane due to pilot error (gone out of sight). the second one with mercury alloy fan 64mm 3-5s , used with 4s nanotech 2200mah ( tail little heavy). balance perfect with 2700mah 4s nanotech . maximum speed 214km/h measured with eaglee tree onboard, 8-10 min in normal flight (half throtle ). at 200km/h sound vibrations from air intakes , my fastest jet till now.

 RC Roller 11 points

I ran this with a 4800kv 60 amp and I use both a 3 s 2200mah and a 4s 1800mah i have two radio set ups for both and like both more maneuvers on the 3s and more speed with the 4s but hotter landing, really like the wings going out so far it doesnt roll spazticly like most small edf jets so you can fly more relaxed (less ass puckering)

 Davy420 18 points

90mm from the leading edge of the wing (the part closest to the wing)

 solentlife 117 points

Underneath of wing - kit has two marks that indicate the CoG ... it's spot on for good flight.

 aeronautical 71 points

PRODUCT ID: T26151A4800 2615 4800 kv turnigy motor.

 solentlife 117 points

I advise the 2810 Turnigy 4300kv as per factory ... slots in nice. Go to EDF motor section ...

 aeronautical 71 points

well, if you want retracts, there will not be any space for you to 'retract' them into. the wing just isn't thick enough for you to install the electronics and gearing and wheels without it protruding out of the wing profile. it'll just be heavy and look funny im using the fixed landing gears and already i think it flies nicely. 4800kv set up, drawing 30 amps. with stock 5 blade. if you want a more aerodynamic plane, s**** the landing gears altogether and go for belly landings on a field. if

 aeronautical 71 points

SORRY it already says in the description that it's 5 blades. my bad

 Kellyann 16223 points

Aeronautical a 5 blade 64mm EDF fan unit is what it say. It is good you picked it up.

 Arlindo 5 points

this jet is very stable. When mounted make sure this well-aligned very easy to fly

 Ek-trician 307 points

No, you don't need mixing. The plane flys great! I recommend 4S x 1800 x 30C battery, I amusing a 5-blade fan with a 4100kv and a 60A ESC. CG is good per instructions. Has very good EPO and spars in wing, stab elevators an ailerons. Very strong. Only con is nose cone is very thin plastic. Very good deal for good kit and stable jet!

 solentlife 117 points

I agree that Elevon mixing is not needed - but you could add if you wanted hair-raising stunt capability !! Joking - forget elevons ... this bird is well controlled by standard aileron / elevator set-up. In fact the roll rate is WOW !!

 Ek-trician 307 points

No, but very easy to add, add a small 6-9g servo mounted in the base of the vertical stab, run the servo wire through the pocket that runs along the top of the thrust chamber, that's where you put the ESC. You catfish the wire though from the fan hatch.

 Arlindo 5 points

or place the 6-9g servo inside the cab, and go tube with a wire up the rudder and install a ma fixation at the rudder

 solentlife 117 points

Having flown this many times 0- I see no reason for rudder .. it's just not needed in any way.

 Ek-trician 307 points

They sell the adapter here, it's for a 3mm shaft to a 4.5mm fan hole. The outer shaft is 20mm long not including the larger base with the set screws. Part # 55-64ADP3. Any fan motor with a 2415 to a 2840 or so will work. The kv should be around 4000kv. They will need a 3mm shaft to fit the adapter. You can always buy a complete fan unit with motor an install the fan and motor in the housing mounted in the plane. That would be the easiest. Use a 4S 1800 30C battery and a good 40-60 amp ESC. Hope

 Ek-trician 307 points

No, you don't need mixing. The plane flys great! I recommend 4S x 1800 x 30C battery, I amusing a 5-blade fan with a 4100kv and a 60A ESC. CG is good per instructions. Has very good EPO and spars in wing, stab elevators an ailerons. Very strong. Only con is nose cone is very thin plastic. Very good deal for good kit and stable jet!

 RC Roller 11 points

cant wait to fly it! Are you using the original 5 Blade fan?

 Ek-trician 307 points

Yep, but remove the fan and balance it on a good magnetic balancer, or it will vibrate so bad it will never reach full power.

 solentlife 117 points

Yes - never needed to balance - it is fuine out of box. Many quoted out of balance are where shaft adaptors and motors are unevenly tightened up in plastic EDF units as this. Make sure you tighten evenly and not skew the motor slightly in the mount.
I have a number of EDF models and units - true for all - never had to balance any.

 Ek-trician 307 points

This is a great flying jet, ecellent foam, lots of carbon and ply spars. It,s worth twice the $29 and shipping. Don,'t wait for US, it will be higher priced anyway.

 minko 14 points

plane number 1

 Joe 11 points

I found the perfect set up for this jet, but you will need to go to 4s 14.8 volt set up. I used a 5800kv EDF dynamic balanced unit ($60), the turnigy 55amp trust esc($22) and an 1800 Turnigy 4s lipo ($20). It is the perfect set up for this jet and I get about 4.5 minutes of flight time per battery, depending on how much I can resist full throttle. This set up screams and mine was clocked at 115 mph. I have also flown it with a 2200 3s lipo and it flies okay, but maybe tops out at 65mph (prob better for beginner jet pilots, but once your ready the 4s upgrade is awesome).

 Ek-trician 307 points

I agree, I have switched to 4Sx30C in all my EDFs. As long as you balance the impeller it won't grenade on you. Some time s a larger ESC, but not always necessary.

 theSelf 45 points

Ek-trician and Joe- do you have video you can share of this t45 flying on a 4S setup- is an 1800mAh 4S lipo the biggest you can get n it without it being too nose heavy? was think of putting the Hobbyking 64mm Alloy EDF 4300kv - 750w in but may be too big or cut the flying time by too much...thank you for your reply!

 solentlife 117 points

I'm amazed at the claim of 4.5 mins on a 4S and a 5800kv motor ! I have a 5000kv and the 4S hit over 60A ... no way could a 4S give 4.5 mins. I have now the factory recc'd 4300kv in it and a 4S 1600 gives only 2.5mins ... a 3S 2200 gives near 4 mins ... Really interested in how people can get such run-times with small batts ...

 jwalker590 20 points

very easy

 box13 20 points

Nice..Thanks!!

 F100CUFFLINK 886 points

yes but just lunch with enough force. or run a little if you can, it should be ok as long as you have good power.

 box13 20 points

Thanks i will just run a bit..Just another question...I forgot to say befora that im planning to put a powerfull 3s setup..Do you thing it can be hand launched in 3s?Because a friend of mine says it won't :/

 Joe 11 points

I have hand launched it with my 3s set up and my 4s set up and it hand launches well either way, but much better with the 4s

 solentlife 117 points

No need to run at all ... straight steady hand launch level or just slightly up about 5 - 10 deg. On 3S or 4S goes away nice.

 box13 20 points

Are you using 4s?And what are the flight times?Thanks!

 gredes 44 points

I use a 4s 1800 nano and get about 6 mins.
I flys really nice and at reasonable speed.

 solentlife 117 points

Why difficult to find adaptor ? Loads on here at K .. to fit.

 rcflyer17 12 points

trial and error

 Joe 11 points

dont use the recommended. Go with a 3500 - 5500kv EDF unit and 1800ma 4s battery set up. The turnigy trust 55amp ESC works perfect with this set up and this jet screams like a rocket, giving almost 5 minute flight times

 Ek-trician 307 points

They sell the adapter here, it's for a 3mm shaft to a 4.5mm fan hole. The outer shaft is 20mm long not including the larger base with the set screws. Part # 55-64ADP3

 rcflyer17 12 points

try longer screw drivers

 Ek-trician 307 points

Yea, long skinny screwdrivers. The ESC goes above the thrust tube in a narrow channel. Push it up from the fan hatch to the opening in the channel they moulded in for cooling.

 Jackrr 224 points

You have to mix some throttle to aileron to compensate for torque.

 Sabre6 2 points

What will be a starting point for throttle to aileron mix? Assuming the use of 4300kV motor weighing about 60g? Cheers.

 Jackrr 224 points

I'm afraid you just have to experiment... (maybe someone else can help). You might try starting at lowest throttle possible (to have a less violent roll), and gfuess how much aileron you have to give to get a non-rolling flight experience... Or, you could use a gyro on aileron (heading-hold, drawbacks explained here: www.link ).

 Jackrr 224 points

first stars is a **** (unimportant), the other stars stand for **** as one might have guessed.

 Jackrr 224 points

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 rcflyer17 12 points

not yet got mine from hobby king, but its good to know about this, how do you get it to take off

 Brett 3 points

Hi all well after a number of bad take offs i managed to get it in the air *-) it was caused by ignorance of ducted fans i think my takeoff distance was too short these suckers need to be realy moving on the ground before takeoff so you need a long smooth runway grass is not good at all i found that its better to hand launch at full throttle if you dont have a smoothe tar or concrete runway long enough.

 joumana 23 points

Hi as Brett told you,you need to build more speed by not taking off early that will not cause that stall:)

 Ek-trician 307 points

Since this is your first fan, understand that there is no prop wash to make the controls work, so that's why you need the speed. Once you get enough air pressure over the control surfaces it will respond to the left aileron and elevator controls. Don't try to yank it in the air too quick as the motor torque that is rolling your plane to the right will over power any control input and roll it over on take off. Also make sure you have enough control throw, I use high rates for take off and landing. I switch to low rate when it is up to speed and flying. Good luck!

 solentlife 117 points

Never seen this baby torque roll. Yes she will fall of to one side with lack of airflow over surfaces. This must be one of the most forgiving EDF's to launch .. Trick is - GET SPEED UP !

 BulletMaster 323 points

yep... the shape is off...

 pilotrcuk 69 points

Agreed, the front isn't "right" and the rear should be squared off, for starters :-)

 slaanesh 424 points

The front landing gear is too far forward as well. I think at this size it would probably be better as a belly lander anyway.

 pilotrcuk 69 points

No anhedral on the tailplane...the list goes on!! Maybe there's a full size job which matches this model better than a Hawk/T45 :-) An AMX or something...

 zdsweet 41 points

Also, no cage above cockpit. Although, that would be pretty hard to create in a model this small.

 Starry 140 points

The rudder decal is "A" while the one kitted with electronics I bought is a "G" from Global Fly..

 biggbear 284 points

Build yourself one!! Pce of plywood, some mty plastic pails, or pontoons of some sort, etc etc. Could be done!

 CorollaGT 116 points

But the landing won't :)

 Jackrr 224 points

This statement is waiting to be proven wrong...

 Ek-trician 307 points

The fan housing will take a 20mm motor mounting, but unless that is an inrunner the diameter should be 28 and at least a 30mm length. That is measuring the outside of the motor bell itself. Some motors give the size of the stator instead, it's confusing! Just measure the outside of the motor, not including the extended mount in front. The motor I use is a 2215, but the OD is 28 and length is 30! It will drive you nuts! The 3100kv is not enough for this size fan on a 4S LIPO. You need a 4100-4500 on a 4S, forget using a 3S, fan is too small. Don't forget to balance the impeller or it will explode!

 solentlife 117 points

?? 3S on this fan and rotor is fine. I fly with a 4300kv and 3S .. lovely balanced machine. If I put a 4S in - she has short flight times and high amp draw. To be honest the lack of flight time is not worth it to go 4S as a decent size 4S pack to give decent flight time is too heavy for CoG. On 3S - I can RoG, Hand Launch and Bungee without any hassle at all.