HobbyKing Online R/C Hobby Store : HK-J500 CCPM 3D EP 500 size Helicopter Kit (JR Voyager)

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7/28/2010
SCHRODERS (100%)
It's ****...stick to Models that are compatible with T-Rex Heli's...why the hell is this is even on sale...STICK WITH T-REX Compatible Heli's !

4/20/2010
martingru (25%)
When we expect a spare parts for that modell???

martingru (25%)
its nice modell but no spare parts:(

heli43 (67%)
Waiting since 6 months for spare parts now!!!!
Realy frustrated with this policy from HK on this field.

ragamofyn (72%)
It's pretty clear now that no spare parts for the J500 will ever show up. My new personal policy is to only buy HK helicopters if HK stocks the parts for that model. Otherwise, you could be waiting for.. ever.

4/6/2010
Byzcol (43%)
Is anyone successfully flying these? I saw that Youtube video where the guy in Texas blew up the head by running it a 5 or 6s on it when it should only be 3s like the Super Voyager E 3S due to the plastic components in the head and the bearing blocks.

yacco (85%)
Mine is flying well, fits my skills perfectly. I replaced the original rotor head by a metal one from the Tarot 500/HK500GT. Also running a 5S setup, but with a 590kV motor and 14T.

The guy on youtube should have checked the gear ratios before installing a 1600kv motor in it :)

kulraj (29%)
im waiting for mine to come,cant wait to fit the electrics and fly ,what a gtreat price!!

2/9/2010
skyj1955 (50%)
Potential blessing, I've just purchased 1 and if the parts fit my Jr SV E [currently in a very sad state] I'll buy another 2 for spares.

Ghostflyer1 (43%)
is this a metal or a plastic head and tail unit?

2/3/2010
Larve (64%)
Hello Jason,

please provide spare-parts. I think many customers dont buy because there are no spares at the moment. I own a HK j500 and i am happy with that smart designed machine.

2/2/2010
Larve (64%)
Just built and already flown this heli, i can say im really happy with it. Flies right out of the box with little mods like glueing in the tail rotor bearings (little sloppy) an replacing the brass flybar bearings by ball bearings.
This is a F3C like Heli - lighter than T-rex500, mine weights 1600g aow on 3s. Yes you can fly it on 3s, but 4s will be definitely more fun.
Take care with the headspeed, i would not go much over 2000 rpm.

ACiDBURN (84%)
Larve what motor did u use ?

Larve (64%)
Hello,
i use a Turnigy sk 3042 1250kv. The only problem is, that this motor has a 4mm shaft and the pineon has a 5mm hole. So i made a adapter by using a piece of 4/5mm brass tubing.

1/19/2010
rcjpth (91%)
If this kit is CF, all alloy head and tail at the price $150 - I will buy the kit no heartbeat!!HC/HK please update this kit with CF, alloy headtail, and alum for other parts ...include spare part supply!

1/15/2010
3900Kv (68%)
Try posting it on the forums, everyone can read there.

yacco (85%)
Can't find my review anymore. But there is a video review of the HK-J500 from a shop named "New Age Hobbies" on Youtube (part 1 and 2). The second part shows very drastically what happens when you put a 1600 kV motor with 5S in it *g*.

1/14/2010
3900Kv (68%)
What still no reviews??

yacco (85%)
Check out what happens if you write one - apparently there is something going wrong with the scripts. Maybe you find the one I wrote some weeks ago.

1/14/2010
heli43 (67%)
Hello yacco,
good suggestion with the protos. However I guess the protos is in an other price region. So modifining the JR should also work. But spares are really mandatory to use this heli.

1/7/2010
heli43 (67%)
Hello,
Following up with the previos questions:
When will spare parts available?
Without them this helicopter is not realy attractive.
And the next question: What about a 4mm Upgrade for the tail. The flimsy 3mm is by far not state of the art and I doubt that it will even hold 2800 head speed.
For this headspeed a better alloy head would also be fine.
So HC when will these wishes be adressed. Hopefully not on next Christmas.

yacco (85%)
Exactly. The tail shaft was upgraded to 4mm in the Super Voyager 4S after some tails of the 3S version desintegrated in flight (headspeed was below 2000 RPM).

I balanced the rotorheads of my J500 and my Protos today, just for fun I checked if the Protos head fits the J500. Looks promising. But hey, why not buy a Protos then in the first place? *-)

12/20/2009
Robbie (82%)
Required items.
Brushless Outrunner Motor
Servos : See linked items below.

Can you be more specific ?

yacco (85%)
Brushless Motor: you need something equivalent to Scorpion HK-3026 (880-1000kv), e-flite Power 25, Kontronik Kora, Hacker A40-8L. Shaft thickness 5mm if you want to use the pinion gear which comes with the kit. ESC 60-70A, 5-6S Lipo.

Servos: standard size servos, e.g. MG930 for cyclic, MKS DS9760 for tail. I am using Graupner DES (re-labeled Ino-Labs?) in mine.

This customer was awarded a credit for their answer.

12/18/2009
Robbie (82%)
Thread opened: ***********rcgroups****/forums/showthread.php?t=1160140

12/18/2009
3900Kv (68%)
What do you guys think about the motor for this one as it can be run on 3S.

Eggy (77%)
Definitely dont run it on 3s. You will need something like a 4000mAh 3s pack to get the same runtimes, twice the stress on the battery, and about half the power. Checkout this page *******hobbycity****/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9388&Product_Name=HK-T500_CCPM_3D_EP_500_size_Helicopter_Kit__%28Align_Trex_500%29 to see an ok setup.

yacco (85%)
You can't reuse a HK-500 setup for this heli since the gear ratios are different - the main gear of this heli has 85T, mod 0.8 (p32), HK-500 has 162T, mod 0.6 (I think). Motors like Scorpion 3026-880kV or Kontronik Kora will do. But not on 3S *-)

skyj1955 (50%)
Sorry not in the description:
Motor Pinion Gear: 17T (included)
Main Drive Gear: 162T
Autorotation Tail Drive Gear: 85T
Tail Drive Gear: 72T

12/18/2009
dmulligan (74%)
If HK clones the MSH Protos I will jump on that instantly.

CYBERNERO (77%)
You're perfectly right!
I'm totally agree with you ^^
I think PROTOS is the most advanced heli in 500 size class.
I'm really hoping the HK make dreams come true.

tiagojanz (31%)
That would be great, the repair cost of the Protos is outrageous.

Jason5001 (-7%)
Your wish may be granted!
We have a few spare 3-axis mills, and machining centers laying idle right now....
I will speak to the engineer and see whats cooking and what we can fit in the schedule for Q1 2010

dmulligan (74%)
Jason5001 - Q1 would be in time for the spring up here in the northern hemisphere. I am waiting anxiously for your announcement!

12/18/2009
dmulligan (74%)
How does this heli compare to the HK-T500?

3900Kv (68%)
Well to me it looks a better design. I like direct belt driven tails.Can be run 3S. Part count looks less. What will make of break this is the quality or material used. Does it have CF or GF blades?

12/17/2009
3900Kv (68%)
Can we have some info on materials used pls?

3900Kv

schulzie (69%)
according to the jr manual:

Bat: 3s 3300mah 20c+ lipo (max size: 155 x 45 x 30)
Motor: 1100kv 30 size motor
ESC: 80amp (just to be sure)
Cyclic Servos: Standard size servos (like mg930)
Rudder Servo: standard or mini just make sure its got plenty of torque and is faster than .08s

yacco (85%)
Frame made of aluminium, main and tail rotor head polyamide/nylon and metal mixture. Don't trust the setup described above. Definitely needs 5-6S, motor 700-1000kv. All servo mounts are equally sized, 32mm x 16mm-size servos fits perfectly.

Dave1 (50%)
Why not trust their setup. JR has a trustworthy history. Look on youtube, these are flying fine on 3S.
Remember the "brushed ages"? Most people flew helicopters this size on 8-10 cells (at 1,2V each).
I'm almost ready to order. Will go for 3S. The heli isn't made for 2000+ RPMs. It's just that everybody wants a high headspeed because only flies ok that way. That's crap. My electric .60 size heli flies EXCELLENT on 1300-1400 rpm! (designed 1600rpm max).

yacco (85%)
Maybe there is a misunderstanding here. I guess the setup was copied from the Voyager-E manual. The HK-J500 is based on the Super Voyager or Vibe 500e.

With 700kv, 5S and 17 I think I will end with a headspeed of 2200-2400 RPM. Whats the point in reducing the voltage and increasing the current/capacity of the battery?

What was the average flight time in the brushed ages? 4 minutes? *-)

Dave1 (50%)
I agree that this is a Super Voyager E clone.
I also agree higher voltage yields a lower ampdraw.
However, the higher the RPM, drag increases drastically. My .60 size heli hovers * 16 amps. No doubt it has to do with headspeed.
Brushed ages sucked, agree on that too. But remember lipo's give us a much longer flighttime at the same weight and voltage!

schulzie (69%)
yacco, the spec WERE copied from the super voyager manual. check it out for yourself.

yacco (85%)
Ok, sorry for my false assumption. I am curious on your experiences with 3S. No chance to test my setup at the moment - plenty of snow here in Germany.

schulzie (69%)
i agree with you yacco, you will need bigger than 3s but it would be interesting to see how it flys on 3s.

Crashinbash (84%)
A gentlemen on youtube flew this heli on 5s and as he went into idle up with higher headspeed, the head and shaft exploded.

12/17/2009
schulzie (69%)
finally.... my wife will kill me for this...

3900Kv (68%)
I understand your fears mate. Soon I think I need to block this site too :)

jojansen (55%)
You guys have still a wife? You aren't serious enough with the heli thing. Shame on You!!! *-)
I tell my girl only the price of the naked mechanics and leave out the rest. Worked well ('till now).
Cheers :-)

STEPHEN (87%)
So who wants to be the guinea pig on this new heli? There is always some error or fatal flaw which make it not fly out of the box, but kudos to HK for these cheap choppers.

chris6391 (17%)
What is the recomended servo for this? I was thinking this one ***********hobbycity****/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idproduct=9391

Fugitive_Bill (76%)
LOL - Jojansen, I with you. Whenever 'the other half' gets the packages sent from HK off courier before I do, she say's 'Here you go, what did you pay for this' and I always quote the only main item (ie Heli/plane) and leave out the extras and postage! - Like, I'd say $70 bucks, when it's really $130!

grayloop (95%)
This is already doomed because it looks like the HK-T500 people will not trust to buy it

yacco (85%)
Of course, those will upgrade to the 500GT instead.
I guess most people interested in the HK-J500 are hesitating because no spare or upgrade parts are available so far. Will there be a full metal main rotor head and a stronger tail for it? When will spare parts come in stock?

helicopterfixer (34%)
I am just waiting out the parts supply as mentioned. I already fly a Voyager E, modified to the limit. I have been eyeing the SVE for some time now. I will be happy to try one. My HK450 flies like a dream.

Old Skull (50%)
I use to fly R/C airplane 15 years ago and now I whant to get back in the hobby but with a heli kit (My first one).I need a stable platform for photo/video shooting and something easy to learn. Some suggest me to start with a JR Voyager E but I only cant find Vibe 500e and this HK J500 kit. Do you think I better go with a HK 500GT?

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