D2826-6 2200kv Outrunner Motor

 WTWUK 1573 points

Pretty much the same airframe as a Bixler 1.1 AFAIK so the motor will be fine and loads of people use it. 40A ESC would be better for a goid safety margin. But not sure if you will get a 5000mAh 3S pack in there - 3000 is pretty tight. 5000's are usually good for the huge Super SkySurfer.

 wytsma 217 points

Like WTWUK says 5000 mAh is too heavy! Or you just want to fly around for almost 1 hour without "refueling".

 Kimmerek 85 points

30A ESC is enough for 6x4 prop. I checked my motor with ammeter and it draw max 25A with that prop. I'm using Turnigy Plush 30A and everything is ok. Battery is a to heavy in my opinion. 2200mah 3s 20C will be better choice.

 WTWUK 1573 points

See - this is where problems arise. On your 6x4 setup, you draw no more than 25A. No idea what else is in your setup. With mine in a WingWing Z-84 with TGS 6x4E, YEP45A ESC and NanoTech 1300mAh 3S 45-90C pack ... This little powrrhouse of a motor pulls 34Amps max and settles at 30. Been running it for better part of 50 packs. So - you reckon a 30A ESC is adequate - given that at least a 10% overhead really should be allowed? Better to spend a couple $ more and on a slightly bigger ESC and stay safe.

 WTWUK 1573 points

Unlikely as that ESC has a limit of 2000KV motors - this motor is 2200KV.Clearly stated twice in the product description: - "Maximum Kv supported: 2000rpm/v" and "Please note* Do not use with motors of 3S or greater with a Kv of more than 2000rpm/v. Doing so will overload the ESC."

 Kimmerek 85 points

Yes, it is possible (if you have qood quality ESC). I use 8x4E prop with turnigy plush 30A (40A burst) and 2s 2200mah 20C battery. After long flight motor is a little bit hot.

 Dimetri 12 points

you could do this but, i would not reccomend it

 WTWUK 1573 points

If you do try it with an 8x4 prop, check the setup with a watt meter. Some of these motors are very tolerant of high power, but others are not. I have one that runs quite happy on a 4S battery - the other I have does not like it at all.

 Kimmerek 85 points

You mean difference between 6x4 and 5x5? 6x4 is a little bit faster than 5x5. Unfortunately flight time will be a little bit shorter.

 Luiz 22 points

se quer voar bastante use hé*lice 7x4 com motor acelerado a 40 a 50% você* vai voar de 20 a 30mim com bateria 3s 2200mah

 Casper 72 points

Depends on the lipo 2s or 3s

 Marcelo 100 points

a friend told me that it would be up to 1kg to 1100kg. bought and am waiting anxious for the arrival of a ling cat w / flight 800 to 900grs. 3s 2200 40c battery, propeller 5x5. I have helped!!

 Kimmerek 85 points

Marcelo, you don't need 40C battery for 5x5 prop - 20C is enough with this capacity. 5x5 prop will give you max 637g of thrust (on full charge state). 6x4 prop is better than 5x5 (728g of thrust). Oreste, if I were you I would use 7x4 prop (871g of thrust). Your 35A ESC should be enough because you have 40A burst. However you have to provide good cooling conditions like air flow etc.

 Marcelo 100 points

eu uso 5x5 ,bateria 3s 2200 40c

 WTWUK 1573 points

as per the product page description: - Suggested Prop: 7x4(2S) ~ 5x5 (3S). However, I use 6x4 on 3S without problem. Others have even managed 7x4 quite well.

 Dimetri 12 points

if your using a 2cell use a 6x4 or 7x4 and if its 3cell use a 6x4 or 5x5.

 siddarthgrewal 57 points

Max 6x5 on a 3s setup It can get pretty hot so good throttle control Is recommended. Nice motor.

 ElectricAussie 3009 points

Hi Kiernan, The single beep from your ESC just sounds like the throttle range wasn't set properly. It's also possible that your throttle trim wasn't set to zero, so the ESC sensed the throttle was partially on. This shouldn't have caused the smoking problem. To be honest it sounds like you fried the windings in the motor. Look in thru the front of the motor with a small flashlight and see if one or more of the windings is darker than the others. What would have appened is you overheated the windings the first time you ran the motor. This caused the clear plastic film on the wire to melt or burn away just when you shut the motor off. The softened insulation allowed one or more shorts to occur between adjacent wires and this short caused the immediate smoking when you started the motor the second time. You can verify this by using an ohm meter to test the resistance between each of the 3 motor leads. test each of the 3 possible combinations and you will probably see a big difference between the readings, meaning that the windings are shorted. Cheers, EA!

 Kieran 5 points

Darn, I'm studying this kind of stuff at Uni so I had an inkling that may have happened, wanted to get some extra advice on it though. It's a bit of a bugger, ESC is obviously fried now as well (tried using it's UBEC to power the receiver just before without the motor attached, however with no luck) so looks like it'll be back to the stock motor and ESC on my bixler till I can get some new ones in. Frustrating about the motor though, I certainly did not do anything obvious that would have adversely effected it. Might have a try with the warranty, but thanks for your help :)

 ElectricAussie 3009 points

Hi Kienan, Thanks for the credit. Don't give up hope on using this motor (not the one you have, obviously) on your Bixler, as I know a few people who have made the change to this motor and the performance difference is amazing. The Red Brick is a mediocre ESC. Order a new motor and a better quality ESC. The one I would recommend is the HK BlueSeries 40A (PRODUCT ID: Tz40A). It's a great ESC at a very affordable price. The best thing about it is the auto-timing feature. It uses an algorithm that compares rpm gain to current increase to set the most efficient timing. This motor is very sensitive to having the proper timing or it will run rough/hot. Cheers, EA!

 Kieran 5 points

Yes, probably my own fault for trying to save money by skimping on reliability/features... Thanks a lot!

 Dimetri 12 points

you might have to make a new mount out of aluminum cans. you can use 16 awg wire and 3.5 mm bullet connecters for your extentions. PRODUCT ID: B16A483-06. 6x4 for fpv

 Mario 18 points

3 cells

 ElectricAussie 3009 points

Hi danyy, You can safely run this motor on 2S or 3S using at least a 30A ESC. A 35A-40A ESC would be better if you will be running this motor for long periods at full throttle. A few people have tried to run this motor on 4S, but in most cases they burned their motors out, so 3S definitely seems to be the max. Cheers, EA!

 Dimetri 12 points

2 cell minimum and 3 cell maximum.

 Drugos 2003 points

The prop is too big for this motor.Try a 6x4 prop.

 Luiz 22 points

Amigo voce usou a helice errada, essa helice é* muito grande,poderia ter queimado o esc tambem a helice que uso é* 7x4 em 3s e voo em full apenas por poucos segundos, senao queima,

 ibrahim 2 points

what size prop did he use?

 Mustafa 1 points

i used 12 x 6

 Mario 18 points

and there is the reasson why you burn-ed it ...

 WTWUK 1573 points

Indeed. Do you not see the recommended prop sizes for this motor Mustafa? "Suggested Prop: 7x4(2S) ~ 5x5 (3S)" That should really tell you that a 12 inch prop is totally unsuitable?

 Mustafa 1 points

ok will you help me to find the proper motor for my trainstar plane, it is in the below link www.link

 Dimetri 12 points

your prop is way too big. since runnibg a 3s battery you have to use a 6x4 prop. you might be able use a 7x4 but dont push it.

 Mustafa 1 points

but the original propeler for my plane is 12x6 i bought Turngy G15 because it fit with 12.6 note my plane weght is 1.3 kg

 WTWUK 1573 points

A G15-950KV would be far better matched to your prop and model weight. It will happily spin a 12x6 prop on 3S and with careful management 4S battery.

 ibrahim 2 points

WTWUK* can i try 8x4 prop for this motor? but i will use 7x4... and G15-950kv seems so good motor :)

 WTWUK 1573 points

For this motor I would only go as big as a 7x4 - several use it so with 3S and a 40Amp ESC. I do not have a 7x4 prop to try it so cannot ensure it is OK. On 2S it would be no problem. Either way, it is too small a motor for your 1.3kg model and the G15 is a far better option. The G15 series are excellent motors.

 Marcelo 100 points

hé*lice muito grande , faz com que o motor e esc nã*o suporte pelo fato de nã*o dar o giro correto, fazendo assim com que ele esquente rapidamente vindo a queimar, e perder todo o conjunto...

 ibrahim 2 points

i will use 3s 2200a lipo

 coreire 25 points

You don't need any extras. I have one of these fitted to my Bixler V1.1 and it's perfect for it.

 coreire 25 points

On second thought, the 1 thing you should check is your ESC. If you put a low current rating ESC into the Bixler when you built it originally you might need to upgrade that. This motor draws 34A max.

 Rob 1 points

I purchased the PNF version I think. Here are the stats: Specs: Material: EPO Foam Wingspan: 1400mm Length: 925mm Wing Area: 26dm2 Wing Loading: 25g/dm2 Flying Weight: 650g Motor: 2620-1900kv Brushless Outrunner ESC: 20A w/BEC Servo: 4 x 9g

 wytsma 217 points

Don't forget to order a nice Apc(style) prop size 6 x 4 or 6 x 5. Motor/prop combination is the best regarding to Ampere consumption and flighttime. Use esc 40A. Happy flying!

 Rob 1 points

ok cool so i need to get a new esc any recommendations for a noob?

 coreire 25 points

Any 40A or higher ESC will do the job. I'm using a 50A hobbyking ESC with this motor in my Bixler. Product ID is 9261000004. I tend to over rate my ESCs a bit though, its not really something you want to fail in the air. That one has a switching BEC instead of a linear one too, which some of the cheaper/smaller ones wont have.

 Rob 1 points

Did you need to pick up the motor mount (PRODUCT ID: 310000115) for the larger motor?

 wytsma 217 points

Rob, you only need that if you want to use bigger props than 6" for FPV or heavy load. Bigger prop is lower kv. (like Bixler 2)

 Rob 1 points

awesome. I think I am getting a grip on things now.

 coreire 25 points

Ya the original mount is fine. The motor fits properly in the original cowling too. Doesn't rub the side or anything like that. On your first launch with that motor make sure not to set the throttle too high. With the bixlers thrust angle and that motor it causes quite a bit of nose down pressure

 station 13 points

On my Bixler2 I use a 2826-10 motor with a 7x4 prop. This gives plenty of power for this plane. Beware of over-powering it.

 station 13 points

I have bought a 2826-6 motor intending to put it in a small quick delta using a 5x5 prop & 50A ESC. I think that type of plane will be more suitable for the 2826-6 than the Bixler.

 Luiz 22 points

Friend the largest propeller that this engine is accept in 3s lipo is 7x5 propeller, if you use 11x6 or 12x5 will burn out the motor or esc for sure, hugs

 WTWUK 1573 points

No way can you expect this little motor to work with those sized props. It will rapidly burn out and most likely take your ESC with it. Don't even try it.

 ibrahim 2 points

oww thank you all, it will be a catastrophe for me, thank you again

 __ysl 11 points

maximum 6x4,7x4 the motor is very hot ,40A esc is ok.

 Drugos 2003 points

I recommend a 50A ESC.

 Kimmerek 85 points

Hi, how big prop you want to use?

 __ysl 11 points

maximum 6x4,7x4 the motor is very hot,40A esc is ok

 Haim 117 points

what prop are u using .. anything bigger then 7x4 will draw to match power ..

 Sybren. 2 points

I "was" using a 6x4 prop (was as in plane in a very big tree :)) Too much?

 Haim 117 points

nahh , should be fine, I use 7x4 ..gets me plenty of power with 50A ESC. I guess it depends on how match airflow is the engine is getting. I placed my on a pusher , but the engine was completely exposed, and the ESC was exposed as well (with heat-sink)

 Sybren. 2 points

Yeahhh okay. Mine was also a pusher, im going to try out 7x4 maybe... Mine esc was in the compartment with my battery and ubec, im going to make more airflow than, not always easy with a self build cardboard flyer :D Thanks for your help!

 Dimetri 12 points

try getting a steady airflow to the motor. as well as use a 5x5 to 7x4 prop

 Drugos 2003 points

840 grams.

 Haim 117 points

plenty that can give more performance .. but way more expensive

 DutchRC 7 points

Well.. plenty.. It's pretty hard to find actually.. Even Scorpion doesn't offer a better alternative in this size & kv..

 mklements 40 points

You either arn't getting enough airflow through the engine and so it is not cooling down properly or the propeller is too big. Try a 5x4.

 volador365 3 points

problem not think it stops cooling completely open because the engine mount but still very hot and melt the plastic stand. Someone had a problem like the one I'm having with this engine ..?

 volador365 3 points

Could be a problem of magnetism ..? This is my bixler ready to fly with the engine D2826-6 2200KV

 WTWUK 1573 points

What size prop are you using? To get hot enough to melt the plastic is very far from normal. I have run this motor on 4S with a small 4.5x4.5 prop and it did not get that hot.

 volador365 3 points

Prop: 7x5

 WTWUK 1573 points

That 'should' be OK on 3S - Richtofen posted below that he uses a 7x6 and that is fine. Can you check the Amps and Watts when running to give a better idea of what is going on?

 WTWUK 1573 points

Typo - not Richtofen, Ral fRotten uses 7x6 props.

 volador365 3 points

the truth is not the problem, I think the engine was faulty, if not repurchase the same or buy the NTM Prop Drive 28-36 2200KV / 696W ... recommending ..?

 WTWUK 1573 points

The NTM is a very nice motor ... But is a lot heavier than the one you have. I don't have a Bixler, so not sure if it is best option. Suspect it would be fine, but better to ask on the Bixler or NTM motor pages.

 volador365 3 points

I need a reliable engine, as do fpv and a good engine is essential. The esc I use is new, anyway with another esc and engine with full in two minutes reaches an ultra high temperature..

 Marcelo 100 points

procure conversar direto on line, peç*a para fazer a revisã*o do numero do pedido enviado que veio com problema, creio q possa ter ajudado!

 WTWUK 1573 points

Comes with mount and prop adaptor as per the picture.

 Marcelo 100 points

vem com adaptador para helice e manual completo!!

 Drugos 2003 points

With a 3s battery about 800 grams.

 WTWUK 1573 points

Mine with a TGS 5x4E with 3S 40C 2200mAh produces 870g maximum, settled at 840g.

 Ral fRotten 1208 points

They come included with the motor, when I bought 2 of these motors 1 prop adapter fit the 2nd did not, I think they sent by accident a 3mm unit when the motor shaft is 3.17mm, But yes they are included in the cost.

 igorc 7 points

Hi, I know, but I want to buy somes as spare parts

 Kimmerek 85 points

Hi check this out: 3,17mm prop saver adapter(PRODUCT ID: 317MPRPSVR)* 3,17mm classic prop adapter (PRODUCT ID: JJ3.175)* 3.17mm huge prop adapter (PRODUCT ID: JY3.175). In my opinion the last one is to big for this motor (however shaft size is ok). If you want to buy motor mount check "Electric Motors -> Motor Mounts" category.

 Ral fRotten 1208 points

You can buy 5 of 3.17 collet type from E B A Y for around $6 delivered, I bought them for spares. and I reckon there good, I had to use one of them because HK supplied the wrong size on one of the motors

 asteroide 70 points

And a 3cell 3000mAh lipo

 Ral fRotten 1208 points

Your propeller is too big, no bigger than a 7x6 for this motor, in my opinion. this motors max current is 34amps.

 Ral fRotten 1208 points

I would only use a 8x4 if you checked it with an amp meter, 7x4 should give you around 300watts of power, I use a 7x6 but you need to test with an amp meter not all same size props pull the same current! different brands may differ in current.

 Drugos 2003 points

With a 7x4 prop and a 3s battery the thrust is about 1 Kg.You can use an 8x4 prop but you will need a bigger ESC.

 Ral fRotten 1208 points

Well said, Test first, and don't exceed motor/esc max amps.

 Kimmerek 85 points

I guess it is 3s battery? 1.8 x 20 = max 36A. 7x4 prop is the best choice. 8x6 will definitely burn your motor. However I'm not sure if this configuration is enough for 1.4kg plane. If I were you, I would use a bigger motor.

 Ral fRotten 1208 points

This motors max is 340watts, for 1.4kilo plane you need around a 500watt motor or more depending on what kind of performance you want, normal flying 100watts/lb,

 Kimmerek 85 points

I checked my motor with ammeter. It take 25A with 6x4 prop (full battery charge full throttle) and something about 30A with 7x4 (I can't check exactly because my ammeter is designed for 30A max). For that case you have to use a good battery - I'm using Zippy LiPo 2200mah 25c (2.2 x 25 = max 55amps). I think that 2200mah and 20c should be also a good choice. For 6x4 prop I'm using Zippy LiPo 1600mah 20c (1.6 x 20 = max 32amp) which is enough.