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  Quote airwave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: please help on connectors issue
    Posted: 31/May/2012 at 7:30am
I took no offense.did not make D- because it was my best subject
the slow discharge is the part about 5 watts I/E 5 watts/12.6(full charge on 3 cell)would only be ~.4 amps.OR around 1/5C this would take 5HR+ to get rid of the energy in a 2.2 ma 3cell to about 90% used up.This is also why i say run it(even just setting there) to less than 3.7 volt
then the charger could charge at 2.2 amps to storage.Yes it would be best to have then hooked up but for storage it is not as important as when you go for a full charge.lets say the battery volts are 3.9 ,3.5 ,3.6
over all you are ok for storage
going for a full charge.you could see 3.9 4.2 4.3 the cell at 4.3 volts can be damaged from this charge cycle

as for the power supply HK has others and there are cheaper options,the one i showed is for industral systems.the one i jumped on was a great deal i don't see this as much now.

Edited by airwave - 31/May/2012 at 7:37am
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  Quote Such Is Life Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/May/2012 at 9:25pm
I'll admit I don't always connect balance leads when discharging (No balancing on a discharge to storage),
However, the balance leads act as a safety, letting the charger halt if one cell mucks up. So ideally - Yes, connect both.

Discharge usually takes nearly an hour - the charger has to turn all that energy into heat and give it time to dissapate. An iCharger can discharge back into the car battery or an external sink such as a string of lights, which makes it quicker.

Edited by Such Is Life - 30/May/2012 at 9:28pm
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  Quote Krimbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/May/2012 at 4:17pm
Thanks a lot airwave.
Sorry, I didn't mean any offense, and it's absolutely not your fault.
It's me who is not knowledgeable in this field :-)
I forgot everything I learnt at high school about electrcity (even though I was very very good at it).

I will try to find a power supply like you said.

just one more quetsion if I may...
When charging/discharging the batteries in storage mode, should I connect both balance and charge connectors to the relevant ports in the charger?
When I tried to discharge an almost full 2.2A battery yesterday, it was discharging so slowly that it didn't finish in more than 50 minutes...
then I noticed that I forgot to connect the balance 4 pins plug.

Since it was too late at night, I decided to cancel the activity, and discharge the batteries by flying the next day.
I did it today and managed to do my first Bixler loops ! :-D
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  Quote airwave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/May/2012 at 3:26am
Krimbu,sorry fat fingers and bad english(not my best subject).i will try and list it
1)the charger can put out 50 watts,nothing is 100% so 60 watts should do well.
2)volts X AMPS= watts as long as you stay over 12 volts and less than 18 you are good(I like at least 13 volts)
3) the charger can discharge 5 watts max so it can not discharge at 2.2 amps or 1C for you.even if you set it for 1 amp(max setting) it will not do it not at 3 cell this would be greater than 5 watts.
4) the supply you get is up to you,I did not read to reveiws on this one but posted a link for the type you would need for your charger.Not to recomend you buy this one.the one i use is this type but at 350 watts
meanwell
I would recomend it
5) a computer power supply can be used it would have to be a AT type(one that comes on and off with switch)an old printer supply or other type that puts out 12-18DC volts and an amprage that would be grater than 60 watts.

PS one i have meanwell 350 (i got it for $34 and free shipping)

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  Quote kanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/May/2012 at 4:50am
Originally posted by Krimbu

thx again guys.

Kanga, I get "input vol err" with that power supply. So seems that it's not ok for the charger.

airwave, what?????? what you wrote seemed Chinese at first reading :-)
What I understood at second reading is that I need to have a supply of 60 Watts and this should be by getting a power supply whose A multiplied by V >= 60, right?

Can you please explain the last 2 paragraphs?
P.S. the supply you mentioned from HK seems to have very bad ratings from users...


Yeah reckoned it would be a bit small , but I thought it might of at least fired up , any way as Airwave said you really need something a bit bigger , have a look through some of your old appliances like old printers and stuff .
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  Quote Krimbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/May/2012 at 4:28am
thx again guys.

Kanga, I get "input vol err" with that power supply. So seems that it's not ok for the charger.

airwave, what?????? what you wrote seemed Chinese at first reading :-)
What I understood at second reading is that I need to have a supply of 60 Watts and this should be by getting a power supply whose A multiplied by V >= 60, right?

Can you please explain the last 2 paragraphs?
P.S. the supply you mentioned from HK seems to have very bad ratings from users...
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  Quote airwave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/May/2012 at 7:39pm
Krimbu,your charger spec's

Spec.
Input Voltage: 11~18v
Circuit power: Max Charge: 50W / Max Discharge: 5W
Charge Current Range: .1~5.0A
Discharge current range: .1~1.0A
Ni-MH/NiCd cells: 1~15
Li-ion/Poly cells: 1~6
Pb battery voltage: 2~20v
Weight: 580g
Dimensions: 133x87x33mm

the power supply needs to put out ~60watts,at 12volts this would be~5 amps at 18volts ~3 amps.
you cound try and find an old AT type pc power supply(yellow and black wires) to use it will do the job and no need for jumpes to make it work.
I use a 15volt 300 watt for several chargers at the time you could pick one up on the bay for cheap but that looks as if it is gone.
you could just use your car battery and get one latter
I would say a 15~18 volt

one that would do



the max discharge is 5 watts for you this is less than 1/2 amp at 6 cell
it is 1/4 amp. the max setting 1 amp would be at 5 volts.
a full charge 2200ma could take ~2 1/2 hours to storage charge.

the charge curent is max 50 watts so at 5 amps this is ~10 volts,you could not charge a 6 cell @ 5 amps at 6 cells it would be~ 2 amps.
for you at 3 cell you could go to ~ 4 amps(not that i would)but a 2C charge on a 2200 would be 4.4 amps
hope this helps you out some.






Edited by airwave - 28/May/2012 at 7:52pm
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  Quote kanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/May/2012 at 5:30pm
The max you can charge off of that supply is 800ma, it will still work but just take longer .
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  Quote Krimbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/May/2012 at 4:07pm
Thanks airwave and Kanga.
Yes, I do have the storage mode.
I'm just struggling to find a power supply to use with this charger.
When I tried using a regular 12v output power supply (from an old elec appliance) i was getting "Input Vol Err" message when trying to charge the 2.2A batteries.
So I used my car's battery :)

In addition, when I tried using storage mode this morning with this power supply (the batteries were almost fully charged), the maximum I could set the Amps on the charger were 1.0A, while the batteries are 2.2A


The specs of the power supply are:
INPUT 220-240V ~50Hz 200mA
OUTPUT 12v---800mA
Is this power supply not enough?

Thx


Edited by Krimbu - 28/May/2012 at 4:09pm
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  Quote airwave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/May/2012 at 5:20am
Krimbu the charger you have has storage mode it will charge/discharge to the right voltage.How you use your packs is up to you,i tend to lean to the side of kanga.50%~65% use.then charge to storage if less than 3.7 volts per cell. i use the ACC -6 and it will do this storage all so.
glad to hear you got to fly it.
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