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    Posted: 09/Apr/2012 at 11:18am
Hey, guys. I've got an AXN Floater-Jet I'm using HXT-900s on with a FlySky CT6B transmitter. I'm using the exceed-rc T6config software to make adjustments to my transmitter settings. I have had 3 HXT-900 Servos start acting weird on me over the past 3 weeks. The servos will suddenly have almost 180degrees of travel, and they will not return back to their center position once I let off of the controls. If I adjust the centering on my TX, the servo will continuously rotate until it reaches the 180 degree mark or hits the bulkhead in the wall of the AXN. This started with my elevator, so I changed out the servo. No issues until I went out to fly today and the rudder and elevator servos are both acting up on me. I'm not sure if its a hardware or software issue at this point. I'm trying to experiment to eliminate variables, but I would also appreciate any wisdom from the community of more experienced folks. Any ideas on how to make sure the servos return to their resting position and have a normal degree of travel? Thanks in advance!
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  Quote flarssen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/Apr/2012 at 1:48pm
Usually this is caused by a broken off wire, that should go between the circuit board and the potentiometer.
Just unscrew the bottom part of the servo case, carefully lift up the small circuit board and check if any of the three, red(?) wires have a loose end.
These servos have a pretty low failure rate, so this sounds strange but have a look just to rule this out. Do you have a lot of vibrations in this plane?
These servos are analog, so there is no logic that can go wrong inside them.

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  Quote appala Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/Apr/2012 at 10:58pm
Ok, Fred. I will look into that tonight after work. I'm using the stock prop-saver with o-rings i picked up from Lowe's. They are a little thicker than the bands from AXN. I read a few posts where that was blamed for causing prop vibrations. At the moment, I feel vibration from the prop isn't as big as a contributing factor as crash landings. I've put this thing though some abuse, unfortunately. I'm obvoiusly a newb and got this plane for me to learn on. The last flight/crash (along with some fine views of the appalachians) before this issue arose with both servos is avaiable on youtube. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE8hlfNUYBk ) If you think that impact was significant enough to cause the issue, let me know. I will get back with you on the diagnosis on the servos as soon as I am able to crack the hood on them. Thanks for your help!
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  Quote flarssen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/Apr/2012 at 12:47am
Hard to say. Crashes usually destroys gears, not wires. Vibrations make wires break, usually where the solder ends and the copper takes over.
Waiting for your autopsy report.
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  Quote Daithi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/Apr/2012 at 1:03am
Vibration will weaken the wiring (especially in very thin stranded ones) and the effect is cumulative (ie, it gradually gets worse until there's a final stress fracture).

It's possible that the wires were sufficiently wekaned from the vibrations before the crash and the final thump and sudden stop at the end could have been enough to make the last remaining strand(s) part company.

Also a sudden jolt could have ben enough to put a hairline fracture in the pcb (which would give the same effect)
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  Quote appala Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/Apr/2012 at 10:52am
Alright. The verdict is in. I think you guys are right. I took one servo apart, and the wires looked like they were connected until I gently tugged on them - 2 came off without much effort. I pulled the other servo apart and just slightly altered the position of the connecting wires to my receiver, and it started working correctly. Sounds like I've got some soldering to do. I really appreciate the insights you guys have provided.

If I had to guess, the 1 servo has about 2.5hrs on it and the other has about 30-45min of use. I'm surprised they have both failed in such close sequence. Any tips on how to tell if my prop is causing excessive vibration?

Also, any body have suggestions for my next plane? The Floater-Jet is awesome, but its getting worn out. I've found myself looking around for my next set of wings...

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  Quote flarssen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/Apr/2012 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by appala

If I had to guess, the 1 servo has about 2.5hrs on it and the other has about 30-45min of use. I'm surprised they have both failed in such close sequence. Any tips on how to tell if my prop is causing excessive vibration?
I'm surprised too. We probably have 50-60 of these, some in helicopters, and have never seen this kind of failure.
Easiest way is to balance the prop. If you don't have a balancer, try putting some Scotch tape at the back of one blade and see if it improves or gets worse. If worse, move it to the other blade and keep adding smaller pieces until it seems OK. Replace all the pieces with one or more larger ones if it gets messy. A prop(per) balancer is a good investment, though. Some of these cheap props are way out of balance, bad centering etc.

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  Quote Daithi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/Apr/2012 at 3:37pm
A cheap and cheerful check on balance is simply to put a piece of dowel (of a suitable size) in the hub and then set the dowel on a mount with the prop horizontal and watch to see if one blade drops down - that one is the heavier

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  Quote appala Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/Apr/2012 at 9:26pm
Sounds like I know what I will be looking at tonight after work! Thanks again. I'll let you know what I find. I really want to figure out why I've had three servo failures in the same number of weeks with such low hours.
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  Quote appala Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/Apr/2012 at 8:34am
ok. from what i have learned, it looks like I was either over tightening the screws that connect the servo arms or had enough significant impacts (significant to the point of breaking servo arms/breaking the plane in half and pulling/pushing on the control cables that lead to the rudder/elevator) to eventually cause enough abuse to the internal components of the servos to cause them to short out.

I learned this as I tested a servo that I had previously replaced. It worked fine. I put it in the plane. It still worked fine. When I connected the servo arm I noticed the servo kind of "barked" back at me. After that, it was back to acting the way it did when I removed it. I think I've been over torque-ing and over bearing on them. I have actually killed 4 servos instead of the 3 I initially spoke of. Sounds like a classic case of user error/newbie-itis.

Thanks for all the help. I'd better get off of here and order some replacement HXT900 servos so I can get back in the air!
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