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    Posted: 26/Jun/2009 at 3:32am

I have a few questions before I make purchase:
PLEASE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AS ACCURATELY AS POSSIBLE!

Goal: get the most power of these motors and make sure the ESC will run for a long time without burning. 

Project: building an electric scooter (minimal speed is 25mph)

I want to get this motor: "Turnigy 80-100-A 180Kv Brushless Outrunner (eq: 70-55)" or the "Turnigy 80-100-B 130Kv Brushless Outrunner (eq: 70-55) "  The only difference is the number of turns  -  will the motor with more turns offer more torque?

The wierd question is the motor with less windings has more Wattage. 

The "Turnigy 80-100-A 180Kv Brushless Outrunner (eq: 70-55)"  is a 7000W motor with 6 Turns
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The "Turnigy 80-100-B 130Kv Brushless Outrunner (eq: 70-55)" is a 6500W motor with 8 Turns. 

I want to build an electric scooter with this motor but what will offer more power and torque is the most important question.

Next question:  What esc should I use? I want the MAXIMUM POWER out of those motors. 
The motor " "Turnigy 80-100-B 130Kv Brushless Outrunner (eq: 70-55)" requires 130A and can handle 48V max and the other motor, "Turnigy 80-100-A 180Kv Brushless Outrunner (eq: 70-55)"
requires 150A and can handle 48V max.

I was thinking of using a "TURNIGY K-Force 150A OPTO 2-6S Brushless ESC"  but the number of battery cells is 2-6 cells Lithium and Ni-Mh is 6-18.  Will the ESC deliver 48V @ 150A?
the other ESC is the "TURNIGY K-Force 120A-HV OPTO 5-12S Brushless ESC", number of cells is 5-12 cells lithium battery or 15-36 cells NIMH battery.  Will this ESC work with the motors? 
People say you should have an esc the can handle more current than what the motor draws.

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  Quote W3FJW Ron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26/Jun/2009 at 4:10am
Why do you need so much power. Most bike & scooter motors run between 250 to 1,000 watts.
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I was thinking of using a "TURNIGY K-Force 150A OPTO 2-6S Brushless ESC"  but the number of battery cells is 2-6 cells Lithium and Ni-Mh is 6-18.  Will the ESC deliver 48V @ 150A?
No. 24V max.
 
People say you should have an esc the can handle more current than what the motor draws.
True. NEVER run at 100% for more than a minute or so IMO. Best to only draw 80% of what these motors & ESCs are rated at.
Keep in mind you're dealing with Chinese products that may or may not have parts that can handle at times "Pie in the sky" specs.
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  Quote JPDX10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/Jun/2009 at 4:40pm

I am building a custom electric scooter.  My goal is to reach about 30mph.  I have seen other people do this with airplane motors and I know I can do just as good as they did.

Quick question - is it bad to run the motor at 100%?  If so, HOW DO YOU PROGRAM IT TO RUN AT 80%-85%?
 
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  Quote wchiro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/Jun/2009 at 7:27pm
It would probably be best to use the High Voltage ESC IMO.  Thumbs Up
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  Quote W3FJW Ron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/Jun/2009 at 6:09am
It is never good to run any equipment at 100% if you want any longevity out of it.
It is programmed by your hand on the throttle, or, I suppose you could design some electronic circuit to limit current to the motor at some specific point.
Read through the DIY forum for some info on this type of use.
 
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  Quote JPDX10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/Jun/2009 at 4:33pm
Thanks.
 
I plan to use a servo tester to run the motor for the electric scooter.  Couldn't I program the throttle to be 80%? 
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  Quote W3FJW Ron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/Jun/2009 at 5:27pm
No. The servo testers are not programmable nor are the ESCs for that kind of function. Chances are that the pots in the tester are either 5 or 10K and a conventional twist grip throttle could be used. A mechanical stop could be used to limit to 80% or a resistor could be used on the high side of the pot (with a bit of experimentation for value) to limit to 80% as well.
On second thought though, if the ESC is programmed with a servo tester, the throttle range could be set from 0 to 80% by turning the pot to approximatly 80% of what would be full or maximum pot rotation. Couple of ways of doing it I suppose after thinking about it.
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  Quote JPDX10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/Jun/2009 at 6:42am

Ok, thanks for the information! :)

 

What is the proper ESC for the "Turnigy 80-100-A 180Kv Brushless Outrunner (eq: 70-55)"?

I want the max power out of this motor.
 
Note: I says on the website of hobbycity.com that it requires 150A ESC but does the "80-100-A" on the motor name mean it takes 80A to 100A?? I am confused.
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  Quote W3FJW Ron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/Jun/2009 at 8:13am
The 80 to 100 is probably the average current. It will draw more under a heavy load but shouldn't be run over 100A for more than 10 to 15 seconds. That's the reason a 150A ESC is recommended. To handle the peak current the motor will probably draw from time to time such as 100% throttle.
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  Quote JPDX10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 11:52am

Last question:

Should I use the

1) “Turnigy Marine 180A Brushless Boat ESC" should I use the

2) “Turnigy K-Force 150A OPTO 2-6S Brushless ESC” or

3) Turnigy K-Force 120A-HV OPTO 5-12S Brushless ESC”?

 

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Is it better with the last ESC so I can put 43.2V (36 Cells Ni-Mh) to get the most power from the motor?

 
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