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  Quote VirginiaJim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20/Apr/2012 at 10:16pm
Using the Turnigy 9x for buddy box use requires quite a bit of tinkering to get it to work right. I have 2 Turnigy 9x transmitters, bought at different times from HK, and have done my share of struggling to get the buddy box to work so that my instructors don't want to hit me over the head with one of them.

First, I would suggest you do the 1k ohm mod of the circuit board outlined in an excellent video by RichardMRazek at this address:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD6Gia4G7Go&feature=related

This mod will allow you to run your Turnigy as in a buddy box arrangement WHITHOUT having to remove the module.

Secondly I suggest that you open the transmitter, and unsolder one lead from the Trainer/timer switch (NOT the center one) and resolder the unsoldered lead to the opposite side of the switch. This will fix the problem where the instructor must hold the trainer switch in (against the spring action) to take control of the plane. The Turnigy way was simply crazy, and not the way any other transmitter manufacturer has designed this function.

The one down side to this mod, is that now you must pull the switch back each time you power up the Turnigy so that you get past the all switches in a standard position requirement. The timer function works and the trainer switch works as expected for other radios.

There are some other quirky configuration issues with the Turnigy 9x that I have not completely figured out. One is that you can't bind the master transmitter while the Trainer configuration is set up. You must do it before entering the trainer function. Be sure NOT to turn on the student box at the power switch. Power is supplied when you plug in the trainer cord. I'm not sure which battery is used for trainer/student boxes power, but you're best off by making sure both of them have a good charge.

Hope this helps.

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Edited by VirginiaJim - 20/Apr/2012 at 10:18pm
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  Quote Chrissy47 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21/Apr/2012 at 2:08am
Power comes from the pack fitted to individual radio. If you plug a trainer plug into either of My 9X radios it bypasses the on off switch and the unit powers on. I found this out as I use the trainer port for headtracking with my predator goggles. I still turn the unit on anyway but it seems to make no difference.

I'm assuming this is the same for all of them.

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  Quote trevpez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21/May/2012 at 8:07pm
Virginia Jim
I have watched the opp on youtube,seems straight forward enough[good video].My question is do I have to do both sets to use the trainer facility,or if only one,which one?Thanks in advance Trev.
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  Quote VirginiaJim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22/May/2012 at 7:41am
Trev:

   I do not profess to be a Turnigy 9x programming expert. I'm a novice stumbling my way through each new attempt like many of us. The short answer to your question is, yes, you do have to set the channels and other control functions on both transmitters (only 1 exception to this rule). The long answer follows....

   However, this is my understanding, and the method I use when operating my two Turnigy 9x transmitters as Instructor and Student units. I believe you must define a model (the same one) for each transmitter.

As my example I will use my Sky Surfer. So I define a model with the name Sky Surfer for each transmitter even though the receiver is only bound to the Instructor unit. Be sure to duplicate the specifics of the definition on the Student unit for EVERYTHING you must do on the Instructor unit (Keep reading for the exception). This means reversing the throttle, selecting Mode 2 (throttle on the left) stick position, and I zero out the subtrim and trim settings on both of them, etc.

I personally like to turn ON my Throttle cut (THR.CUT) switch in the (THR HOLD) module so that when I'm checking control surfaces or adjusting them with the receiver on, I can easily inactivate the throttle stick, and I don't have to worry about accidentally bumping the throttle and cutting my arm off. Unfortunately my older transmitter does not have the "THR HOLD" option in its menu.

I activate the Timer and set the expected time a battery will last on each of them, and in the "Trainer" module, I turn on ("NOR"=normal), ail (aileron), ele (elevator), arb (throttle), and rud (rudder) both, but you only want to change the trainer module "State" to "ON" for the instructor unit. That variable establishes which unit will use the timer switch to give control of the plane to the other (Student) unit. The student's transmitter timer switch only activates the countdown timer. All other unused channels (FLP, FLP, AUX, AUX) are left in the "OFF" state.

You can only bind a receiver to the transmitter if the "State" condition of the TRAINER module is "INH" (meaning inhibited or turned off for instructor control). After binding, with the Instructor unit turned on by its switch, you must go into the TRAINER module each time and set the "State" to "ON" (this sentence is the exception that you do NOT set on the Student unit). In my experience if I turn off the Instructor unit, the "State" of the TRAINER module is automatically cycled back to "INH".

Make sure after turning ON the power switch of the Instructor unit, that the Student unit power switch is turned OFF. (I like to label both units with an adhesive label or masking tape so there is no confusion which transmitter is Instructor and which is the Student.

Then you plug in the stereo cable that connects the two units by their unlabeled stereo jack on the back.

Unfortunately the unmodified Turnigy 9x transmitter has a trainer switch that works the opposite of what we expect with mainstream transmitters, that this switch normally provides control to the Instructor unit and only transfers control to the student while the instructor is holding this switch toward him. The unmodified Turnigy tries to make the Instructor hold the switch back against the spring loading to GIVE control to the instructor. This makes no sense and will drive your instructors crazy.

Consequently, I unsoldered the wire going to the side of the switch and resoldered it to the opposite side of the switch. Leave the middle wire where it is. This makes the instructor unit behave like other transmitters, but you must remember this means the Turnigy will declare a "switch error" each time you power up unless you pull the trainer switch back momentarily.

If you have done all of this (don't forget the 1k resistor mod to allow leaving the transmitter module in the Student unit while using it as a Student), then you should have a trouble-free Instructor - Student relationship, but don't forget to keep the batteries in both units charged up. Though you don't turn the Student unit "ON" it is still using the batteries inside the case for power, NOT the Instructor unit batteries.

Enjoy. Hope this helps.

VJ

Edited by VirginiaJim - 22/May/2012 at 7:43pm
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  Quote Carlo Roma 63 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22/May/2012 at 6:09pm
Hi Virginia,
can you take a look on my issue http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30502 ? Have you an idea about this? Thanks
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  Quote trevpez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22/May/2012 at 6:10pm
VJ
Thanks for your reply,I get the jist of whats going on.I'm wondering whether it is needed to solder the 1kohm resistor into both set,or just the master
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  Quote VirginiaJim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22/May/2012 at 7:28pm
Carlo:
I took a look at your issue as you requested. I'm impressed with what you are trying to do, but I'm afraid your issue is over my head. I suggest posing this question on Bruce's RC Model Review site.
http://www.rcmodelreviews.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=6
He is very knowledgable about the electronics and if you can get his attention, he is probably your best bet for advice.

Trev:
   Since I did the 1k mod on both of my Transmitters at the same time I'm not positive if you can get by with only one of them, but I strongly suggest it because you will avoid embarassing confusion on the field if you do it on both. I have found no downside to the 1k resistor mod. (For those who don't know, this mod is a work around to allow leaving the transmitter module in its bay while using the trainer function or using the transmitter with Simulator programs. This is a fix for another of the quirks on how the stock Turnigy 9x comes from the factory.)

Glad you guys are going for the gold with your tinkering. Keep it up and share your discoveries!

Just call me VJ or Jim, Virginia makes folks wonder!

Edited by VirginiaJim - 22/May/2012 at 7:34pm
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  Quote Carlo Roma 63 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22/May/2012 at 7:29pm
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  Quote trevpez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23/May/2012 at 5:13pm
Originally posted by VirginiaJim



Trev:
   Since I did the 1k mod on both of my Transmitters at the same time I'm not positive if you can get by with only one of them, but I strongly suggest it because you will avoid embarassing confusion on the field if you do it on both. I have found no downside to the 1k resistor mod. (For those who don't know, this mod is a work around to allow leaving the transmitter module in its bay while using the trainer function or using the transmitter with Simulator programs. This is a fix for another of the quirks on how the stock Turnigy 9x comes from the factory.)

Glad you guys are going for the gold with your tinkering. Keep it up and share your discoveries!

Just call me VJ or Jim, Virginia makes folks wonder!

Thanks Jim,I'll take your advice and do both
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  Quote captain cook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/May/2012 at 5:22am
Stefan   You must use a mono lead. a stero wont work ....Good luck....
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