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PRODUCT ID: SKY-Cessna
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Cessna 182 RTF 18A Brushless w/ 4 Servo
Cessna 182 RTF 18A Brushless w/ 4 Servo


Cessna 182 18A Brushless
This kit will take you around 10-15 minutes to complete. It comes with 18A brushless speed controller and outrunner motor.
The Cessna 182 is made from dense and extremely smooth foam. Unlike typical GWS type foamies, this kits foam is smooth enough to appear gloss-like.
The ailerons are powered by two individual servos, making a total of 4 servos included with the kit. The rudder servo is also already pre-linked to the nose wheel, making taxing fun!
This is an incredible foamie, a quality above what you will normally find in an RTF.
This is a high quality plane with excellent flying characteristics. You will not be dissapointed!

Spec.
Length
: 780mm / 30.7in
WingSpan: 980mm / 38.6in
Prop: 8x6
Flight time: Around 15min with supplied pack
Weight: 600g w/ battery
Motor: Brushless Bell motor, similar to the towerpro 2908-21
ESC: 18A brushless
Battery: 11.1v 1100mAh 3S1P (Not included) 
Servos: 9g x 4 (Quality servos, with precise control.)

Required.
4ch Radio (Transmitter / Receiver)
11.1v 1100mAh 3S1P Lipo
Charger


Check out our blog on this product.
http://www.myhobbycity.com/blog.php?b=45

 

Flight report.
After pre-flight checks and ensuring servo throws are correct, the Cessna was first hand launched into a stiff breeze. Surprizingly the plane flew without an ounce of trim, which is a nice change and helps to quickly settle first-flight nerves.
The supplied propeller is an 8x6 and causes the Cessna to rocket through the air at full throttle, making this plane more fun than first anticipated. We set all aileron, rudder and elevator throws to maximum which made the plane very snappy and sporty feeling.
Steerable nose wheel makes the Cessna easy on the takeoff. Supplied propeller is an 8x6, which gets the plane in the air on about 12ft of runway!
This plane is possibly a little too fast for the beginner with the 8x6 propeller, consider changing to a 9x5 or lower pitch for slower flying.
As an experienced flyer I was very impressed with the Cessnas speed and agility, what looked to be a lazy day at the field turned out to be quite exciting with full throttle causing the Cessna to keep up with a parkjet!
Overall an excellent foamie, very nicely detailed, good servos and strong power unit. Main wing comes with a carbon spar (which is surely needed for tight loops) and overall plane construction is strong!

2899g 10+ $64.95
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26/07/2010
Marthijn (100%)
I purchased this product. it works very well and everything arrived. I fly the plane now with a 1500 mAh battery. only is the hole where the battery must be small. so I made the hole bigger. I urge you not to over 1500 mAh battery to buy it fly. I think it is too heavy and you need to cut the hole too much. It is a very beautiful and good beginner plane.
25/07/2010
kennedy (100%)
Okay im sitting here with some stuff in my cart and as im adding things to it i continually check the shipping cost. Now after adding 2 Cessnas and some batteries one of my shipping choices is this: USPS Priority Mail 2-3 Days (Shipped from USA). Since im ordering from the USA im at a loss of whether i can choose this as a shipping option.
   BELADOG (87%)
That means the item is in the US and you should use that method! Wish I could find it in the US???
22/07/2010
Rovilson (50%)
I wonder if it comes with the radio control?
   bampi2k2 (40%)
no it does not come with tx/rx
22/07/2010
Rovilson (50%)
Gostaria de saber se ele vem com o radio controle?
21/07/2010
David (67%)
So has anyone flow with a 2200 mAh battery installed? Just curious if it still flies well or is too heavy. Also are the flaps worth installing?
   MikeHeliMad (86%)
Hi I put flaps on but but had such a massive pitch up that the elevator couldn't counteract it. I stalled and crashed, (a bit slow to react). So I would do it again, but add just a LITTLE flap at a time. Will post photo of how I did it if you wish...
   Heath (100%)
At the most 1350 mAh, more than that will cause wings to break, and will be to heavy. There iis no need for a bigger battery
   BELADOG (87%)
More mAh does not mean more power. just more run time. The question is will it fit and will it carry the x-tra weight?
15/07/2010
Etakla (75%)
I wanted to know what's the maximum weight this plane can carry? I mean, if I buy a 5000 mAH battery weighing 350ish grams, would it affect its performance? If so, in your opinion what is the maximum weight that will not seriously affect the performance
   boostoman (32%)
5000 will really effect the performance of this plane. I have a 1600 3S and its giving me resoinable 12min flights, with enough power to pull the plane 60 degrees vertical.
14/07/2010
vassilios (67%)
for european countries the shipping is very expensive your euro warehouse is not very full of options. a380 can i find it in euro warehouse ?
4/06/2010
maestros (55%)
Can anyone please tell me how many "g" are the servos on this plane??? Are they more than 5g?
   maestros (55%)
oops, sorry i reply to myself, in specs it says 9g :P
   Leonard (34%)
yea....9g's
   Cedric (50%)
The servos are 9g and they work great for me. I have this plain and it's a beauty to fly. I also add flaps to mine and it makes the flying characteristcs so much more realistic.
Great flying plain. CG
   cole (23%)
yep nine gram servos
26/05/2010
dmastax1x (18%)
does anyone know the gauge of the rear landing gear wire/rod? i finally broke it after many crazy landing and adjustments. Would like to just buy that type of wire and make a lot of backups.
   Rick (10%)
Does anyone know where i can order a folding prop 9x5 for the plane?
   cole (23%)
i would try icarerc they may have that prop
   boostoman (32%)
since you already have a broken landing gear why dont you just measure your own wire gauge.
22/05/2010
Andrew2 (29%)
i want to crank this plane up and get some real speed out of this what motor esc combo do your guys recomend
15/05/2010
jeffthefloater (0%)
Can I fit a battery in this plane with the dimensions: 103x37x24mm - 4" x 1.5" x 1"? Will I be able to balance the center of gravity? Battery weighs 167g.
I assume some cutting to make extra room will have to be done.
   jeffthefloater (0%)
I saw from Isaac Marino (2 points)*Thumbs up! That the battery compartment is....
72mm x 38.5mm x 35.5mm (length x width x depth
Can I get an extra 33 mm - 1.3" in length?
   Michal (56%)
Hi, there is no problem to adjust the battery compartment to suit your needs because it is placed on bottom of the hull. Just stick your battery to the bottom with the gum, find proper CG by moving the battery and then cut unnecessary foam. I use Flightmax 1300mah in this plane.
   Runny (49%)
Even a 2200 3S battery can be fitted in if you're into speed flying.
4/05/2010
d1000 (19%)
Hi, I need to buy spare propellers, can anyone point me to compatible one? Thanks
   avivik (16%)
I use these:
***********hobbycity****/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5438

They're very robust. I like 'em a lot.
   o1hoegetter (8%)
your local hobby shop can give all the help you need
28/04/2010
Bill (25%)
I need some help please as I am new to this game.
I ordered a TGY 9x4.7 Slow Fly prop with the 182 Cessna. When I went to fit the slow fly prop I found it does not fit the existing props spinner and shaft attachment set up. How do you attach these non standard props? are there special spinners and attachment bases required and where do I get them from?
   Gabriel (40%)
If the prop you are using dosen't fit on the shaft you can fit it on by gluing a bolt inside the propeller and if the spinner dosne't fit you don't need it wile flying.
   Bill (25%)
Thanks Gabe. Never thought of that.I have since found and ordered a shaft adapter and spinner setup on the HK website. I'm hoping this will get me on the right track.
Bill
   o1hoegetter (8%)
buy a new spinner at yopur local hobby store
   epo flyer (17%)
drill them out
26/04/2010
boostoman (32%)
can someone tell me the battry compartment size of this plane. i have a few battries and i was wandering ifthey could fit in this plane
   Isaac Marino (27%)
72mm x 38.5mm x 35.5mm (length x width x depth)
21/04/2010
bokaormur8 (44%)
it says:

Battery: 11.1v 1100mAh 3S1P (Not included)

What is this 1P behind 3S ???
   Isaac Marino (27%)
It means that each series element is composed by only one cell. If it were 2P, then each series element would be composed by two cells in parallel.
   giodonk (19%)
The 3s means that there are 3 cells in Series giving you 11.1v. If it said 3s2p then you would have 2 lots of 3 Series cells in Parallel, that is a total of 6 cells. 3s1p just means you have 3 cells in series total. The number of p Parallel sets just gives you more available current, it does not affect the voltage.
   bokaormur8 (44%)
Can I put this battery in it?
*******hobbycity****/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7344

Or is it to many mah?
   bokaormur8 (44%)
Can I put this battery in it?
*******hobbycity****/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7344

Or is it to many mah?
   bokaormur8 (44%)
Rhino 1750 mah 3S1P 20 C
   bokaormur8 (44%)
does it fit in the place for the battery?
or is it to big?
   epo flyer (17%)
its just what zippy flightmax uses to name there batteries
12/04/2010
maestros (55%)
Please help me. I changed the Prop in my Cessna and there are letters on one side (8X6). Letters must be facing in front of the plane? Or facing to the tail?
   Raymond (25%)
Guys, I'm experiencing a problem with my propeller/engine too. I finally got it started today and to my surprise the plane flew backwards. I changed the propeller so it faced the other way and it still went backwards. My engine spins to the left of the plane, I reckon if it spun to the right it would fix the problem: is there a way to reverse the way the engine spins or do I have to buy a propeller that is designed to spin to the left? :) I just want my plane to go forward! haha
   Raymond (25%)
It just occurred to mean, do all I have to do is change the red and black wires from the ESC around? is this safe?
   maestros (55%)
It's not the prop that makes the plane going backwards.
Try to change any of the 3 cables untill motor spins to the right side.
Yes it is safe.
   Gabriel (40%)
if the motor turns clockwise the letters should facing in front of the plane
   o1hoegetter (8%)
the flat side of the prop go to the side of the plane
7/03/2010
anthonym76 (25%)
Hi, just received my Cessna and when I connect up my RX and power it up the plane makes a constant beeping noise and the engine won't turn. Any ideas?
   mirceacul (69%)
maybe you have a reversed channel on throttle. Be sure the throttle stick and trim are at minimum position. If you have computerized TX...check for mixes or even better change to a new never configured model if available.
   Isaac Marino (27%)
Turn-on your TX, and then move the throttle stick to its maximum and minimum positions for some seconds.
   gvertical (17%)
hi. put the trotle trim to -00. to the minimum level. then it turns
   sellman (64%)
lower your throttle to the end and disconnect battery ,then connect and wait for the song to be played ,after that 3 beeps and you r ready to fly.
   o1hoegetter (8%)
turn down the throttle give it a few to conect the rsc and you should be fine and if not then you got something wired wrong or a servo installed on the end of its thro
   wonderfullyfat (10%)
It could be your rx is not bind to your tx. Did you set to a different model in your tx accidently?
21/02/2010
maestros (55%)
hi, i have lipo 3 cell 11.1V 1300mAh at 25-35C discharge, anyone knows if i can use this battery at this plane???
   luckyko222 (61%)
It should be fine as long as it fits.
This customer was awarded a credit for their answer.
   maestros (55%)
ok thank you :)
   Isaac Marino (27%)
Yes, if it fits you can use it. It will last about 18% more time than the suggested one (11.1V 1100mAh)
   sellman (64%)
i use 3 s 1300 zippy at 20c ,i dont know if the esc gonna endure higher c. measure it with a watt meter to be sure before fly.
   o1hoegetter (8%)
yes and yes
9/02/2010
Gary OC (0%)
How do ailrons work with 2 servos to receiver. Does this plane need 4 or 5 channels??
   mirceacul (69%)
You have to use a Y cable. It goes to one receiver channel and to both servos. This is the simpler method, but not the best. If you have a computerized TX, it's best to use 2 channels (1 for each servo) and mix them. This way you can trim your servo individualy and also you can make mixes like flaperon if needed. Taking in consideration this model you can use without any problems the Y cable o single channel.
   Isaac Marino (27%)
I simply connected both the servos to the same channel. As the servos are mounted in opposite directions, each one will move to the correct direction when you move the stick.
   gvertical (17%)
4 is ok.
   Gabriel (40%)
it is a 4chanel plane but you might need a 5chanel receiver
   Bjarne K (62%)
on the plane i bought there were a y cable already so 4 channels should do it.
25/11/2009
stratos (17%)
any idea what extra hinges to buy for aditional flap operation?
what size should it be?
   rroobb (25%)
pivot and hindge from hobby king. flaps are great super slow flight. i suggest you go with trunigy 2409 12-t motro and 3o amp ecs . very fast
   rroobb (25%)
forgot to say 8x7 prop and i mounted servo for flaps behind motor i removed motor to do this. get the small hinges. and i used the red gold n rod.
   o1hoegetter (8%)
you can make all the hinges you want outta a 2 litter bottle
21/11/2009
bunta (30%)
could someone tell me about the useage of the lipo please i have a 2350 and have set the prograhm with the card so that it slowes when the power is low and when i recharge it takes about 2170 to fill i have been told that i am taking the batery to low from one person and this is ok from another i am new to the electric world and very lost thanks (bunta)
   James (78%)
as long as you don't go below 3v on any one cell you cant go wrong. when the voltage drops to around 9.5v on a 3 cell lipo its no fun to fly anyway and you know its time to charge. dont worry to much and just land when it becomes noticeably slower.
   bunta (30%)
thanks james happy flying
24/10/2009
giladb (16%)
does some know what kind of shaft go with the moter? a link would be great.

Gilad
   xraydesign (55%)
You can used the replacement shaft from the tower pro 2410 motor - ***********unitedhobbies****/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5274

Also, try using one of these props - APC style propeller 9x6-E , They draw slightly more watts then the stock prop on the bench, but in the air the plane gets a longer flight time and goes even faster then the stock prop. It is the perfect prop for this plane.
15/10/2009
James (0%)
Heeeeeeeeelp. It's been over 3 weeks now. I can't get the HK T6A tx and HK TR6A to talk (or listen) so I bought a DX5E and AR500 rx. That makes a beeping noise from the front of the aircraft but no servos move. Any ideas guys?
    James (75%)

Did you bind the tx to rx first?
   toasthall (9%)
Make sure the servo connectors are in the right way round. The speed controller will beep like that if it doesn't get the right signal. ie the throttle has to be at low for the speed controller to arm.
   o1hoegetter (8%)
if you shorted the ubec then it burned the servos thru the radio
5/10/2009
giladb (16%)
I got NO direction papers, does anybody know how to install the back tail?


Gilad
   Hrubster (79%)
You have to cut away part of the tail section above the slot where the horizontal stab goes (all the way to the rear). You'll need to remove about 1" of foam so the elevator will deflect up all the way.
   giladb (16%)
This is what I did. working good. very nice aifplane.
   giladb (16%)
This is what I did. working good. very nice aifplane.
   wonderfullyfat (10%)
u have to cut a short piece out from the tail, bcos the elevator need some room to move.
19/09/2009
Edson (10%)
Ol amigos brasileiros, comprei o Cessninha e achei muito bom, fiquei surpreso com a qualidade, o speed esquenta um pouquinho mas normal, e o melhor, comprei mais de US$ 200,00 e paguei s R$ 112,00 de impostos.
18/09/2009
IGOR (10%)
Please, prompt what engine Brushless Outrunner?
   Takly (74%)
skyartec dot com > Products > Spare Parts > Cessna Spare Parts will tell you it's a 1530kv bell type brushless outrunner :D
   rroobb (25%)
towerpro 2409-12t is a sweet moter for this plane
12/09/2009
mohammed (72%)
Very good, though small
   Shura (19%)
Why Weight: 600g w/ battery, but postage weight 2799g ?
   frank (70%)
That's because the post-system wants you to pay for size of package as well, so the big size of the box makes it cost equal to 2.8 kilo smaller package.
   Shura (19%)
Now everything is clear. Thank you.
29/08/2009
frank (70%)
Thank you Takly - I see your point exactly, switching is what I might have to do. I'm just not that comfortable about soldering I guess...
There was some talk about Hobbyking switching to a new "standard" plug also, and it's not deans.. So if I am going to change the plugs I would like to have that exact type, so I don't have to solder anything every time I buy a new battery !

I had already checked both Parts & Accs, and Skyartec website, but without much luck, but thanks for your input anyway !

At the moment my flying is a little limited, so 2 batteries keeps me going very well, but will have to do something about this problem sooner or later. Maybe just order a bunch of bullet connectors and solder, but would prefer to have the new standard from HobbyKing.. It kind of sucks that plugs often don't even show in battery pictures...
   frank (70%)
An update on battery-connectors: The 3.5mm gold connectors (bullet connectors) from HobbyKing are the same as the ones used in this cessna. I have not seen any batteries here that come with these.
The plastic protector is different, and better than the ones on the plane, so one might as well change it.

So I guess soldering, and the occasional burning of fingers is a necessary evil to keep this great bird flying !
   Hrubster (79%)
I just changed my batteries and planes over to the EC3 plug. It's the blue one ith 2ea 3.5 bullet type connectors. It seems to be the up and coming standard plug. Not hard to solder but you should use a 40 watt soldering iron.
    James (75%)

Good for you Daniel!

I also use EC3's & EC5's, but not all of my whole fleet of rotary & fixed wing has been converted yet.

A long time ago, I had a difficult time soldering EC3's by following the e-flte website. The solder just wouldn't stick. But after developing my own method it's now much much easier and no more cold solders!

Personally, I prefer the EC3's over the XT60 couplers as the EC3 has been an industry standard much longer than the XT and plus, disconnecting the EC3 is easier due to better gripping on the plastics.

Who knows? After the XT60, there will be a newer standard connector. When will it end?

27/08/2009
frank (70%)
I've had this plane for about a month now, and am very happy with it. But I have a simple problem - the battery connectors that come with the original battery, can I get more of them anywhere ?
I have other batteries with different connectors that I'd like to use with this plane...
   Takly (74%)
I've not been in the game long, Frank, but one of the first lessons I learned was to buy one type of plug (such as Deans) and stick to them across the board. The first thing I do with a new battery now is dice off the stock connectors and fit Deans plugs.

I can't recall what the stock Skyartec battery connector looks like, but from memory, it wasn't a 'standard'. Perhaps switching to Deans or bullet plugs may be easier for you in the long run. It just takes a few minutes of soldering per battery & esc to standardise your gear :D

If you wish to stick with the stock plug, I recommend checking out HobbyCity's "Parts & Accs." menu, then go to "Plugs/Wire etc..." to see if anything looks like it may fit. Alternatively, try www dot skyartec dot com (Skyartec's website, obviously) to see if they happen to sell the plugs separately. Good luck!
   James (0%)
I used the 4mm pack of 10 pairs. They soldered easily onto ECS and LIPO wires if you put plenty of heat into plug when lightly gripped vertically in a tiny vice. When hot insert the wire and hold in place for a few secs while blowing on it. GOOD TIP: slide a couple of inches of drinking straw over the wires at connection - saves shorting your electrics
    James (75%)

James, you might like to try heat shrink. They come in various diameters and lengths.
27/08/2009
yoann (75%)
super avion pas decu bon vol 15 minutes de prparation et 1 nuit pour le schage de la colle et c'est parti pur le ciel
21/08/2009
Shift86 (41%)
Does it have steerable front wheel? And does it already have a spar in the wing or is it just a popular upgrade? Has anyone loaded it with 250-300 gramms of extra load, how does she handle it? I plan to use it for FPV, i currently use a similar cessna (art tech) but with non-steerable front gear and its a pain in the neck to take off or land. Also does it have a servo for each aileron? What's 4 servos for if not?
   Takly (74%)
Yup, it comes with one steerable, flippable, easily bent front wheel *) i actually ended up changig the position of the control horns in closer on the servo arm just to tame it a little. I recommend removing the wheel pants and replacing the wheels themselves unless you're mad keen for the scale looks. I put on a set of the fluoro green 40mm 5spoke wheels available on HC and she can comfortably land and taxi on short grass (cricket pitch/football field etc). Before replacing the wheels, I won 1st prize in the "Nosing Over" contest every weekend. so much so that i've had to slice open the vertical stab and throw in a carbon rod to stop the flex! Sadly I no longer receive that honour *)

As for weight, i put a medium sinker in the front To balance her out, but found she lost her floatiness, especially on final. As i've changed the wheels, i might try it again.

This baby has 2 aileron servos, 1 for nose wheel and rudder and 1 for elevators.
   Takly (74%)
Uhh... by horn i meant clevis, of course. It also comes with a rod installed in the wings. I'm considering some struts also, because the flex is crazy during a loop o heavy turns. Recommend replacing the nylon Wing bolts with metal ones if you're going to push her. I only noticed mine were stressed after removing the wings to change receivers.
11/08/2009
kdaffy (16%)
Has anyone tried another battery pack and which?
   Takly (74%)
Read up a few lines and you'll get various answers. I use Turnigy 3s 1300mAh 20-30c. They're a tight fit into the stock compartment, but a great battery. Easily get 15 min flights varying between some pattern flying and throwing in some fairly aggressive aerobatics.
   VANG-BIRD (73%)
I agree. TGY 3s 1300mah is a good choice for this plane.
   Hrubster (79%)
The Turnigy 13 Mah 20C 3S is the best. It's tight to fit in the battery compartment but the plane is a rocket with it and it's light enough to glide with. My friend and I get 20 min flights out of it easily and it doesn't even get warm.
   rroobb (25%)
i use rhino 1050MHa 15-20min flying time got here at hobbyking
7/07/2009
Yong Hua (10%)
Hi everyone! is it possible to use a foldable prop on this cessna?the description is below.

Folding Propeller w/ Alloy hub - 8x6
Machined alloy hub.
2~2.3mm Colet style shaft adapter.
Weight: 32g
   VANG-BIRD (73%)
the motor's shaft is 3mm. So you have to find a spinner that fits 3mm shaft. Don't see why not to use a folding prop. In my plane i cut the shaft to fit a prop saver. I think it's better than the spinner for beginners.
19/06/2009
Ralf Noonan (50%)
Be careful, it flies much faster than it looks. It demands very fast response from pilot, by pitch and by elerons. Pay attention, please. It's a "Cessna rocket" :)

Then, it depends of thrust. More thrust - nose up, less thrust - nose down.
So, hand launch must be done running, and throwing a little up, to give a plane initial speed. Else, it will dig into earth and beat it's nose.
19/06/2009
Ralf Noonan (50%)
Probably, the dimensions of the battery compartment will be useful:
70x39, h=36 mm
   Michal (56%)
No problem with hand launch at all, but I rather use asphalt part of our airport - too many broken propellers:))
12/06/2009
VANG-BIRD (73%)
Hi guys,
I received it and seems that a quarter of an hour is enough to be RTF. Every thing seems in tact. I pluged the battery and the ESC plays a song. Is it possible to quit this by the TX-stick instead of using a programming card? Anybody ho can answer?? Many thanks.
    James (75%)

When it starts to play the tune, move the tx throttle stick up a little and the music will stop - no need to get the Turnigy programming card unless you like to.
10/06/2009
Timothy (10%)
After hooking up the receiver and the battery all the servos work, but the speed controller continues to beep and the engine won't turn. The battery is charged above 12 volts. What might be the problem?
   Flew Boy (89%)
Hi Timothy, try this trick, it works for most speed controllers, putt your throttle to full, turn on your transmitter, plug the battery into the speed controller, wait for the first beep then pull your throttle back to zero, this should set the throttle range for the speed controller. I hope this gets you in the air mate.
   kdaffy (16%)
or just buy a programming card
9/04/2009
amatojb (40%)
IS it necessary to program the esc, or has this been done already? Thanks for the help.
   luckyko222 (61%)
I plugged it in a programming card and everything is perfect
8/04/2009
cheeseboy (55%)
hi guys, I am just wondering whether the included esc has a bec built in or whether I need to buy one separately. thanks!
   luckyko222 (61%)
The esc has a bec.
Everything you need is in the box except the tx and rx.
   luckyko222 (61%)
plus a charger
   Michal (56%)
It is not necessary, everything is prepared.

Xonipher (85%)
How long does it take for it to arrive to the USA with Air Parcel shipping?
   emsnaz (43%)
Air Parcel takes from 6 - 45 days depending on the volume of parcels going out and any holidays. The busier they are the longer you wait. Also us customs can hold an item for inspection. The shortest wait including "processing" time at HC I have had was 8 days. The longest was 21 days, one of the items I ordered that time was out of stock. Overall for the distances the package is traveling and the cost of these items I think it is well worth the wait....
   delclipse (41%)
its worth paying for express,its only a few bux more ..my experiance ,express was about 4 days ,register mail 6-15 days , air pacel sux,3-4 weeks.. i dont like ordering during the holidays,takes over a month most of the time
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