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FMA 4-Channel Co-Pilot Flight Stabilization System w/Programmer
The NEW Co Pilot II system represents the culmination of years of technological development and manufacturing knowledge in commercial flight stabilization. FMA's patented Infrared thermo-technology for semi-autonomous control of R/C model aircraft has an outstanding reputation, with ten's of thousands of units sold. Adding an additional level of safety to model aircraft of all types, the time-proven concept has enabled pilots from all over the world to fly with confidence, learn new aerobatic manuevers, protect their investment in case of electronic or mechanical failure, and assist modelers of all experience and skill levels to just feel more confident when flying.
The CPII is far more than a simple wing leveling device. Yes, it will bring your aircraft to straight and level flight from any attitude simply by centering the control sticks, but the new system includes features and enhancements that go far beyond its predecessors. Fueled by the amazing new IRNet (Infrared network) for wire-free control of on-board avionics, setup has never been simpler. Just point the the wireless IRNet programmer at the aircraft, access the main menu option "Quick Setup" and Co Pilot II's advanced computer system walks you through a series of simple questions pertaining to how you have chosen to install the various components such as main sensor, vertical sensor, as well as how you have chosen to configure remote ON/OFF functions and new Flight Modes. Yes, the CPII includes all new 3D modes that can easily and safely enable you to learn or practice new maneuvers like inverted flight, knife edge, or vertical hover, all at the flip of a switch. If the aircraft falls out of the intended attitude, Co Pilot II knows it. It will de-activate the 3D mode, and activate level flight mode or Co Pilot OFF, whichever you have chosen.
The new smaller and lighter digital sensors and computer modules also allow for installation across a wide number of platforms. The system supports any conceivable aircraft configurations from airplanes, to heli's, to VTOL; any aircraft which require no more than 4 channels to operate pitch and roll. This includes support for split or differential ailerons, flapperons, all forms of CCPM helicopters and more!
Includes the vertical sensor which will allow automatic and continuous, in-flight weather calibration, the added intelligence of having the aircraft always recover from inverted flight to level flight by rolling the aircraft, and access to all 3D flight modes.
Size: CPII Computer Module (LxWxH): 44.55 x 28.32 x 11.68mm CPII Main Sensor (LxWxH): 24.51 x 24.51 x 9.14mm CPII Vertical Sensor (LxWxH): 24.51 x 17.80 x 9.14mm IRNet Router (LxWxH): 30.60 x 25.52 x 13.51mm (not including mount tabs)
Ratings: System will operate on normal R/C voltage range of approximately 3.5v to 6v. Power Source: System is powered from your radio's receiver. Outputs: Please be advised the CPII systems are designed to fit small helicopters without any additional components. For lager heli's and/or fixed wing aircraft, you may require standard aileron extensions for optimal placement of vertical and/or main sensors. Applications: Adds safe and effective flight stabilization to any R/C model aircraft for assistance in learning new aerobatic manuevers, protecting your investment in case of electronic or mechanical failure, and assisting modelers of all experience and skill levels to just feel more confident when flying. Radio: The Co Pilot 2 is not an RF device and therefore it will operate with any type or brand of R/C radio system including AM, FM/PPM, PCM on any frequency as well as all 2.4GHz spread spectrum systems. Features: Co Pilot II includes embedded stick priority with adjustable gain which contributes to a super-natural flying "feel"
Can I use this device on a 3GX FBL TREX? I have just completed the TREX and is appears the 3GX is a stabaliser in itself, I thought the 3GX and co-pilot may work against each other. Any advice please
Align 3GX and CPII work fine together. Install order is: RX -> CPII -> 3GX. 3GX is a flybarless control unit and gyro, not a stabiliser. You may want to buy also the hard deck unit, it is a lifesafer for your heli. Download all the manuals from Revoelectric website, read, and decide then. Check also Helifreak forum, there is good info about CPII.
I am new to Heli flying and have only used Contra Rotor types.
I have bought a Honey Bee CP3 and want to know if this system will fit onto it without any problems, I want the stabilizer to help me learn and so I can transfer it to any upgrade helis I may buy in the future.
The price of this unit is half that of the Heli, will it work well or am I wasting my money at this stage.
This will mount to your CP3, however servo extension maybe needed if you mount CP2 computer far from receiver. CP2 computer has only about 3inches of wires going to your receiver.And yes you can transfer it to any upgrade helis or aircraft you may buy. I recently installed this in a 50 nitro heli and it works, just let go of cyclic stick and it will level out.
FY31AP is only for fixed wings, is more current, does not use infrared thermo-technology, it uses integrated three-axis gyro and three-axis accelerometer, which controls the aircraft movement, with less interference from the surrounding environment and can still be used with GPS. FMA 4-Channel Co-Pilot can not be used with GPS, is more sensitive to the environment, can be used in helicopters and fixed wings and is cheaper.
Reference from revolectrix site CPII FAQs:
"Do I have to connect my gyro control to the avionics computer?
No. The gyro control (1 wire servo lead normally connected to channel 5) is only connected to the avionics computer when you want to free up a channel."
I wish to use this system on my 450 V2 Pro TT, but I also wish to place my heli into a scale Hughes MD500 Fiberglass Fuselage. Is this possible with this system?
i use this amonges trees yes , hasnt any one else Knticed this amazing devivce seams to go well with all my setups and i first seen this fitted to a choper only .and than seen them Hear In HK . well thanks fellas have a break when flying , i can not give enough Praise to such a simple setup . evan My wife can set up the unit as im instlling,,and in 10 min ,its flying Like a guided missile ,FPV is Made easy,thats why i get them. no other machine is so easy,..didnt any One Knotice this, ..and who Uses it on Helli ,as im about to fit mine when i get time,to a helli also.. thanks every one,...
so did you put it in the heli yet? It looks interesting but how different is this to a 3 gyro stabilizer for 20$ that HK sells? Plus there are settings on radios you can set up for 3D if you plane turns while knife edge etc.
i havent Had time . I sory . I have found another job needing my time . I got hold of Many panels so now i study Photovoltaics ,, with aim to install the 20 first , and daily work i have now ,self motivate going boke fast. lol
aparently they are able to level any old servo controle system leveling . my second will arive soon , so i get less time now . buger , but lucky i got another this is good device ,.
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i use With My planes for FPV . is the best simple setup . amazing results .so much so i want another now for my next FPV , simple very efective ,well woth the money , saves the worry hands of flying , holds well . i get my goggles on once im up above trr line, than activate this unit and googles in IN FPV Heavan, .
Thanks for your input anyway, however still did not addressed my question. I know it works well with helis or planes at the flying fields but my concerns is that can this unit helps to stable the heli flying at the backyard? Because most of times I setup & fly my helis at the backyard for some fun & am lazy to take my helis to the flying fields. as far as I know this unit is affected by trees/fences/houses/buildings etc. that's why I asked if someone tried to fly it in crowded area.
Won't work indoors,vertical sensor can't tell which is the sky or the ground (temperature signatures are too similar.Latest firmware reduces affects by close proximity (fences/trees).Its alot less sensitive to such. Won't work with any gps as bull/s written below. Its a shame some of these Pro contributors are just after a measly 10c by delivery utter **** info.
Thanks Yeswecan, if it won't works indoors just because of vertical sensor can't tell which is the sky or the ground, then at the backyard it is still can see the blue sky clearly, so there will not a problem, but the only problem is that the fences surrounds it just few meters & I don't know if the horizontal sensors can see the temp' diff' from right/left/front/back fences, however the right fence is made of steel & left one is timber, hence I'm just thinking might be it can see the temp' diff', but I still am unsure. Anyway, BrianB192 did not satisfied my question & he still got awarded by HK & this is really funny HK staff :)
i seen them fetted to all units Helli and Planes no worries about that ,and as i said i got another the other day so ,i be happy to set it up and be easy to enjoy the instal thanks , and thanks for your Great undertanding ,this Unit will fill all needed situations . self level and situation in chopers and Planes , seen in you tube, was amazing, results, did you see ,!
sory i just Knoticed you awarded ,well ! i just buy them and use them . with no trubble ,in the yard ,Airstrip, type situation , and Only seen them fitted to chopers, But heard Planes can also use them . I have 2 now and they are Very Good to Level and Keep the plane Level, thats the idear ..So i use Them In FPV , good guide line ,very stable and very easy to use . saves the worry. thanks. and excuse any mistakes ,to reply,prior. go youtube and Have a look. tho i dont mentio i use them in my flights , they are a Must have,and i use every time, always,..or swap it to another,so 2 is best to keep on your best planes,or copters if you can.
Hi Brian. Heli Guy asked if works indoors and affects by fences as he wants to fly in the backyard . Its is no doubt a decent unit,however its technology is yesterdays. There are newer tech for stabilising units out which aren't weather dependant and a little restrictive as these. I've coupled this with an ebar FBL for a mate to learn flying, it works great but as I said,has its restrictions.These were spare units because for the combined price,there are better options for the same outcome.
thank you for your reply ,im still trying to program some of the new systems all in one Arkbird turned up today ,that will keep me buisy when i think i get time to set it up . but recently power has bean Our bigest issue to have and offord daily to use as we like . from Airconditioners to battery chargers and Fans, I have usualy a $350 bill for power every 4 months . ,tho i try to save it . i still get the big bills. My Luck got me started with 18 195 watt pannels . to need install and set up with inverters and batterys ., i be buisy this month . changing over to Sunpower .
I use this unit with great success! It is not designed to be used inside. It needs a clear view of the sky and ground and a 360 view around it. I have not had any trouble around trees and vegitation as long as you stay about 100'-200' away from very large objects. (ex. buildings, large canopy trees walls and fences. The backyard thing will be tricky. IF its very large area your fine. If not the heli will bank away from those objects on its own. That could through off your orientation and cause a crash. Best to keep a wide open area.
yes its amazing . I had to get another . they are so realy good, When i get time in near future sure be fun, but for now i must go back to work . Keep up the good chat fellas ,thanks have a Nice afternoon ,and best of flights . bye,
i love the fact i can combine this with anything ,any GPS system , and OSd , I found great way to fly FPV with out any worry , tryly a Must Have when you have tryed ,and seen the results . Amazing hands free . and i can trimm to get purfact , and than it holds in evan height ,will not roll ,keeps you heading strait , not hard to install . can fit in anything , now i want another they are hear in stock, thanks HK .
Don't know where you got your info from. Please prove by uploading some vids,or photos.Cp2 isn't a simple multirotor control board. Their system won't accept just any gps/barometric meter.
what do you mean , I have them is all my FPV they all Have GPS OSD , why would it be a worry . and yes look undr my video. the planes i use In FPV ,i fitt ,and enjoy . than you to look ,i do have video,s of it being used in FPV always have it on, why else would i buy another .
Thanks Brian,I'll check it out. What type of GPS did you use.Which wires (signal type/colour) was used.Only because my Co-pilot has a 3 pin jr type socket for their hard-deck gps module. My Wii gps has 6 wires .Thanks in advance.
it goes along side anything , Thats the fact , and i think its a very good pruduct , I say its saved my Plane many times , Evan to the Point ,I lost Visuals at 250meters High, with evan goggles off, i was unable to see the Plane , due to black out , but when i looked back to goggles it was reset and blury loosing video .plane was still in the Air and flying angled back towards me and i regained controle In FPV , then got home, after the black out ,i felt glad i had this Auto assistance pilot system active while in FPV .A must have For simple FPV , easy flights,
Brian, you're definitely referring to another product. CP 2 does not support RTH, does not support any other gps other than their own "Hard-Deck" module.Pls limit yourself to 2 beers while posting. Cheers.
Yeswecan mate you not following the mentoined pruduct . this is also a good place to actualy talk about all things to do with RC and Power and the way we Use it . i am sory i not understand your what you meaning maby im saying i use this gear yes Combined with any simple system . it has actualy no connection to what you say , i dont connect a GPS to it no . Tho I do use one Next to it attached to OSD and video transmitter .all on a plane yes, all on the plane I use for my best FPV its just another addon for stability . LIke a wing Leveler. Have you Used a wing Leveler, A stablizer system is Just that . not anything more complicated than it looks . no Not Like Acbird all in One but very close . toataly differnt yes I agree with you and also thank you for your input. i do like a laugh ,have a good afternoon or day ,thanks budy .
it will Hold possition , and Altitude to Very Good extent . I found it holds Well over 2 kilometers the lenth of Airstrip . I have not droped More than a few Meters . When at 200 meters High ,i found very little drop ,it just keeps it strait for a few Miles and might drop a little and can also rise a little . but all Up Best simple thing around well suited . I give great realiability to the fact i can realy it will keep the Model strait . all the way to the ground ,evan makes Landing easy, way easyer if a trainer,to learn with this device,evan so. yet i bean only doing FPV for 3 years daily . and will well rather use this every time./thanks,
this unit compares the planes position to the horizon and then when u release the sticks it can use all 3 axis of movement and control to put the plane straight, level and rightside up.
If u release the sticks while inverted it will roll not loop to the correct position in less than a second, the cheaper version copilot II will loop into correct position from inverted flight
Sure, but does this mean that it has it's own built in gyro or not like a flybarless unit or do you still need a separate gyro. From reading it looks like it's an all included system like the flybarles gyro, but this is why I asked this same question above. Just some clarification from an actual owner would be helpful I think.
Kind of hard to tell with all of the marketing BS isn't it. More like a stabilizing unit if it is anything like the previous. You relase your sticks and the model rights it's self(if you have the room) and flys off into the sunset...
kk2 is only for copters not planes but , and Have seen one in a plane ! .can i use mine in a plane do you think, and i did knotice a setting but it dint seen to work with servo,s,just esc.s ,is that correct you think.
HK Do the sensors have to be outside the plane like other stabilizers of yours Does the transmitter switch this on and off if so what switch 1 or 2 position will Turnigy 9x switch this if required,I use the 3 position switch for flaps so ???? Thanks
they stick to the outside . Making sure they not in the way of anything .as they need to Piont one up down ,And the other sits on the top like x mount not to lit the sencers hit anything , as they must all be clear to see the sencers must be all clear, and Level . and all wil stay Level .this is Very good , a must have for FPV ,.
i guess u can use this on a heli. but for airplane s its much more fun to get an epp model and crash and rebuild if needed. if u get something like the piaget, it is pretty crash friendly and is a 3d monster for that style of plane. and also cheaper
sfactor1, you are right about that, get a foamie, crash , rebuild and learn 3d without the help of these fancy gadgets, however this could be of use in large scale models, no?
I imagine that's OK for would be heroes who enjoy smashing up good planes but with an average plane ending up costing about $100 it's well and truly paid for itself by the third bad crash it saves. Some people prefer to look after their planes plus Foamies may be easy to repair but quite often the motor gets damaged, the ESC, battery and assorted parts such as servos get their gears stripped. All this costs money and if a "fancy gadget" can help avoid this expense and the pilot wishes to buy one why should anyone say he's wrong, yes? Does it stop being a fancy gadget if the plane gets bigger?
Well in these days in times there is all kinds of new stuff coming out i hope people will try it before they say bad stuff about it. We live in a new age and all kinds of good stuff is coming out. Why buy a plane today just to crash it when you could invest a little more and try and save it. I say save your plane buy one.
i have the 3 chanel version and is is one of the best products to help a learner. It will auto correct ur plane in less than 1 second just by letting go of the air/ele control HTH
For simple ailerons if you are using a y- cable it will not know the difference so it should work fine. You will need one right hand and one left hand response servos to use the y- cable.
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I've installed co-pilot 2 in to a max thrust riot and it dose what it say's on the tin.
On the first flight it felt a bit strange because the plane wont's to self right all the time and this makes the sticks feel a bit responsive there is no need to level the plane after any stunts put the stick in the centre and the plane dose the rest all by it's self (if set to self level) I still have to play around with the programmer (stick priority and gain) to get the feel I wont with my flying stile.
I've tried out some of the 3D modes and these work very well remembering that the riot is more of a sport trainer than a 3D plane.
All in all a very good flying experiences with co-pilot 2 this could save any one getting in to 3D a few £ or $ in repair bills as for a new rc pilot it will make a great training aid (still with some help)
co-pilot 2 could turn just about any plane in to a good 2nd trainer plane co-pilot 2 will not fly the plane for you.
The installation was straight forward with no major problems using the manual in the file tab above which you can print out.
Set up first time with the programmer and i was in the air in about 1 1/2 hours with no issues.
I hope to post a video as soon as i get time to show the fight and installation on the riot I hope this helps Happy flying and good luck
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with My second Purchase i had to review such a wonderful pruduct ,after many near loss situations ,this saved the day ., and Many times i wanted another system in my other plane daily used, and Daily FPV flights ,Now Made Very easy with this device . Keeps Harizion ,strait and strady . keeps plane steady when you let go the controle stick. ,makes it easy to use goggles ,with 2 hands if needed .this device Is toatal Hands free flight . if you want to take a break this will Hold keeping Heading or direction, making easy turnes and flying in all. like a guide . Like another person there holding your Hand .. no longer Just a FPV planes . but any Can be FPV with this Fitted .its a toatal guide line ,hold, stable,.
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