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inventing_man 
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 Topic: Test flying your HK wingPosted: 25/May/2011 at 5:21am |
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I dont know if this has been covered or not . Has anyone been successful with Kiting this wing , after , or even before the riser mod ? I briefed a few posts that said it wouldn't kite , Uhhh.. WHAT!
All Real paragliders can Kite over head . My 4 meter , 4 line traction parafoil kite can kite over head , Basically this 2 meter HK foil is a 4 line traction kite . It should be able to kite . Why is this important ? Because if you can't kite it , It most likely wont fly . If it wont fly , why would you want to put your Electronics and prop in something untested and possible causing damage to both wing and gear ?
When your kiting you can see any and every bad tendency this wing may have, such as a line problem from the factory being too long or too short in places , or the fabric or intakes not opening up good because it's too stiff . So when my wing gets here , I plan to first measure the lines compairing and inspecting both sides of the wings lines and their respective knots ,( I'll be taking notes too) Then I will string it up to my 4 meter kite bars and try to fly it in good breezy conditions. Adjusting as needed until it flies right without damaging anything . I'll be assured the wing is right , and also I'll have a fairly good experaince with knowing how it responds to inputs before Hooking it up to the trike.
I'll say it again , If it wont kite , it wont fly . And as all paragliders do when kiting It needs to be actively flown by the pilot . That means using the brakes and weight shift on the risers to keep it centered and to not over fly you . When you have the wing right and adjusted properly, it will take very little input to keep it centered overhead . If your constantly having to correct one side , then that side has a problem that needs sorted out before you commit your gear to it . Kiting this wing as a traction kite would seem a must do before RC-ing it. There is not a real paraglider made, that wont kite . I cant see where this HK wing would , or even should be an exception . Edited by inventing_man - 22/Jun/2011 at 3:40am |
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Beladog
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Posted: 25/May/2011 at 4:17pm |
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well, gotta say I could not disagree with you more here my friend.
 I have never successfully taken the time to kite-ready the HK 2.2m foil and have over 100hrs logged on the B-trike with many incarnations of the HK 2.2. Not to say it wont kite if properly tuned, but I have never done it. Now I also have flown this as a glider off a bluff here in town to much success and would in fact say it does superb in this configuration...(without kiting first). So, IMO your statement that "if it wont kite it wont fly" is totally incorrect. I have many different foils that have flown tens of gondolas that would NEVER kite...including the small Rosita model sold here as well which BTW I have a video of here performing consecutive loops That thing could never kite and it seems to fly just great!I do totally agree that proper pre-flight trimming of the foil is absolutely necessary and a step that simply cannot be neglected before any flight is attempted, as stated in my pre- flight thread. But I have seen Glad Bag foils fly, and fly well
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Thats the ugliest hat Ive ever seen...looks good on you though.
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inventing_man
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Posted: 26/May/2011 at 2:15am |
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Glad bag Foils ? Wow ! I Gotta see that !
What I saw in a vid , and also hearing in the chatter , is other foil lines were not tied properly to the wing , They need glue , that prompted me to say this . I saw a very pronounced "dip' in the left wing , after a launch, the trike turned immediately and severely to that direction and spiraled in . It looked like the lines were misconfigured . that's why I'm saying Kite it first . This wing should kite. Edited by inventing_man - 01/Jun/2011 at 8:10am |
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bigdaddy1962
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Posted: 26/May/2011 at 2:53am |
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beladog is the one to listen to when it comes to parafoils.... i have been on this forum way before the start of the hk foil ,and this man knows what he is talking about. i have 3 parafoils and listend to this knowladgeable man all the way .. ive had no problems ...
please dont try to make a name for yourself by locking horns with this guy. " the heavans spoken the name of the god of parafoils ... it wisperd ....beladog ....beladog ...and the mortals saw that his words were good and all soared " |
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IF YOU CANT STAND THE CRASH , GET OFF THE RUNWAY
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Beladog
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Posted: 26/May/2011 at 6:21am |
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HAHA BIG D!
Oh how Ive missed you! Where the heck have you been! Trumps came back, and you bailed! To have the both of you here together  !Yea!
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Thats the ugliest hat Ive ever seen...looks good on you though.
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Beladog
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Posted: 26/May/2011 at 6:43am |
Sure, they are very common. Look up "trash bag parafoils" on youtube. Listen, folks. It is really easy to get caught up in the elitist fraternity of expensive parafoils. Thats because until HK released a decent quality foil for under $30 bucks, all you could get were three hundred dollar glass slippers from the EU. I have one, actually two, and I still enjoy my HK foils which I find absolutely acceptable when considering the cost to quality ratio you get. They are FUN and that is what this is all about. Not ONE person here has ever made a claim that these foils were high quality replacements for the few extremely expensive alternatives available elsewhere. Sure there are better, more "tuned" foils. For those of us that spent the last five years converting power kites and making our own, these are a dream come true! A hand sewn, Ripstop foil with decent dimensions for under $100 bucks would be a steel! This foil destroys that boundary and crushes the competition for price to fun value! Get a foil and build or buy a trike and fly it!!! Have fun! If you want the lines all smooth and with perfect knots and all the same length go spend a few hundred and get a Spiral! They are beautiful! But Dont,...Please, please dont come here and bash a foil that was designed and produced to make readily available to the masses a workable platform for fun. Thats just being a hater, and nobody likes a hater. Peace! Jake |
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Thats the ugliest hat Ive ever seen...looks good on you though.
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inventing_man
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Posted: 26/May/2011 at 8:46am |
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Hey I'm not bashing here Jake .. NOT AT ALL ! Please please dont get me wrong here . All I'm saying is your wing " may" need a little help to make it fly at its full potential .. And that's all . I'm suggesting an extended "pop up' as Jake puts it , so you can really see whats going on with it , and more importantly FEEL the wing and kinda already know how its going to react . How much brake it likes How much weight shift it likes , Yeah , I've priced those other foils , Opale , Sky , and a few others . Even if the HK needs a little help because someone at the factory was having a bad day ...ITS STILL VERY MUCH WORTH IT ! It can be made right by testing it . Instead of maybe wasting your gear . Whether you weight it and glide test , or string it up and fly it like a kite , I still think you will be better off knowing its flight ready , than not . .
. I've got a Magma 4 meter 4 line = $$$ ! . And What a freaking tractor power house that one is! I nick named it Diesel
Ive also got an Ozone Vibe full scale paraglider . And its a bloody Anti Gravity machine to kite ! Kiting is FUN! Edited by inventing_man - 26/May/2011 at 10:13am |
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Beladog
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Posted: 26/May/2011 at 1:30pm |
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hey hey!
hk's foil...not mine
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Thats the ugliest hat Ive ever seen...looks good on you though.
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inventing_man
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Posted: 27/May/2011 at 11:32am |
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Errr..... yeah , that what I ment . HK 's foil .
Has anyone tried Iorning it to get the wrinkels out ,
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Posted: 27/May/2011 at 2:42pm |
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You know, I tried to read this thread to see what kind of information I can glean from this as I do like the idea of parafoils, HOWEVER I see a ton of stuff that I don't agree with when I see it. So if I get this right, there is somebody comparing a flying RC parasail VS one thats designed to drag weight? Hmmm one seems to be designed as ESSENTIALLY a flying sail for Snowkiting and Landboard kiting? Are you SERIOUS? Reynolds numbers? Scale effect? I have been on ENOUGH sloops and flying spinnaker-capable yachts to know the difference, I've been rigging competition yachts at 13, solo'ed hang-gliding in the Swiss Alps in my teens, went PARAGLIDING many many times but got bored, reached terminal velocity on several HALOs and used parachutes to not go splat in my 20's and I survived till 31, so I MUST be doing something right. The same design that prevents you from kite boarding with a real parachute SANS MODS is the SAME DESIGN that prevents you from flying with a kite board and therefore, your information is COMPLETELY useless to anyone here other than anyone else who has any idea that those are kites for kiteboards, which means there is TWO of us here as far as I know, who know kiteboarding, you and ME... and that, as they say, won't fly here.
Lastly, I am being EXTREMELY honest over here, your posts on this thread come across as mocking the product on hand with a supposed superior intellect, but I implore you to understand, there are a lot of people on this site who fly the real thing, or have worked on real planes, including myself.
For those of you tuning in, the HK parafoil does not appear to me as a tractor device. It does well considering all factors and does not seem to need any active rig work to keep it flying. A tractor device is designed to PULL an item along much like a flying spinnaker, not maintain its shape with a horizontal airflow and actually generate lift for sustained periods as IT WILL FALL OVER to the side due to design and weight, it also is BEST deployed at 20 degrees, that gives it a stall characteristic that cannot really work, THEREFORE requiring active rigging control, because we all know, if that was possible, a lot of folks would be PARAGLIDING for cheaper. Thank you for reading gentle readers, An actual trained Aeronautic Nut. Edited by Mr&MrsNifty - 27/May/2011 at 3:24pm |
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