Phoenix 2000 fibreglass coated?

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Hi,

I received my Phoenix 2000 a few days ago and I found that the wing tips are a bit flimsy for a clumsy guy like me. So I fibreglassed the foam parts. I've used ultra-light fibreglass cloth.

My question is; I think the whole process have added about 300 grams to the overall weight, do you think this would have a negative effect the on the flight characteristics?

Thanks for the answers,

Cem.

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simpleflyer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (TR) USERID: 605920 HobbyKing Constituent Joined: 13/Sep/2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 158	Quote Reply Topic: Phoenix 2000 fibreglass coated? Posted: 03/Jan/2011 at 9:30pm
	Hi, I received my Phoenix 2000 a few days ago and I found that the wing tips are a bit flimsy for a clumsy guy like me. So I fibreglassed the foam parts. I've used ultra-light fibreglass cloth. My question is; I think the whole process have added about 300 grams to the overall weight, do you think this would have a negative effect the on the flight characteristics? Thanks for the answers, Cem.

Blind Vision Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (DK) USERID: 52464 Forum Admin ADMIN Joined: 21/Oct/2009 Location: DK/Denmark, AMC Online Status: Offline Posts: 3804	Quote Reply Posted: 03/Jan/2011 at 10:12pm
	Properly will have an effect on the hang-time, but hey you add extra weight when you fly in strong winds. And it will tend to fly a bit faster than if it weighed less. -but 300g. extra on a 2Meter glider should not make it un-flyable. have a blast. how did you kill the wing tips ? -Troels
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simpleflyer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (TR) USERID: 605920 HobbyKing Constituent Joined: 13/Sep/2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 158	Quote Reply Posted: 04/Jan/2011 at 7:37pm
	Troels hi, Thanks for the answer! Original one feels strong enough but do you think I should switch to a sligthly larger motor? How I kill the wings really differ: last time I had a mid air collision with a road sign during an emergency landing. That's why I fiberglassed the 2000 before even I attempted to fly Cem.

Blind Vision Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (DK) USERID: 52464 Forum Admin ADMIN Joined: 21/Oct/2009 Location: DK/Denmark, AMC Online Status: Offline Posts: 3804	Quote Reply Posted: 04/Jan/2011 at 8:11pm
	just read some of the Reviews of it, here. As far as i can make out, it seems if you want to upgrade to a bigger power system, then you have to reinforce the mounts and so on. -That tells me it should have enough power for the 300g. extra weight, BUT it depends on what you want to do with it, is it a; GLIDER (with help) or MOTOR GLIDER or a HOTLINER. My nature is for the Gliders (passion 1:1) without motors, BUT sometimes i would be nice to be able to climb slowly, or get home with the help of a motor. there is just something to having flown over an hour, on pure will and skill and rising air. MID AIR collision with a road sign, - hmmm, and Turkey -you should be able to find a flying spot without roadsigns. Roadsigns do smash fiberglass, but you might make a dent in it to show off -Troels
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simpleflyer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (TR) USERID: 605920 HobbyKing Constituent Joined: 13/Sep/2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 158	Quote Reply Posted: 05/Jan/2011 at 2:31pm
	Hi Troels, You're right, I should keep away from the roads - with signs that is! Well, we actually have some great flying fields but sometimes I get a bit lazy to drive. Anyways, powerless gliders are fun, but like you say; they require skill which I don't have - at the moment at least. So I will try it with stock motor to start with and I will order a few stronger motors just to be on the safe side. From what I've seen on youtube, Phoenix 2000 can be quite agile; I might need that extra power after all. I'll try to figure out a way to reinforce the mounts ... Thanks for all your help. Cem.

Beladog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (US) USERID: 301604 Forum Admin BELAMOD Joined: 01/Feb/2010 Location: San Diego USA Online Status: Offline Posts: 2427	Quote Reply Posted: 05/Jan/2011 at 3:57pm
	I am curious. How did it add 300g? That seems like allot for a small bit of glass. Did you use Epoxy? 2oz cloth?
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simpleflyer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (TR) USERID: 605920 HobbyKing Constituent Joined: 13/Sep/2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 158	Quote Reply Posted: 06/Jan/2011 at 3:07pm
	Hi beladog, I have used 48 g/m2 cloth with epoxy. Mine was just a rough estimate; I have used about 1 m2 cloth and 250 grams of epoxy. Some of the epoxy is sanded away so the total added should be about 200 - 250 grams now. On the other hand I'll use 2200 battery instead of suggested 1800, so this will add some more weight too ... and ... I plan to use a larger motor (probably a 28x26) and this means even more weight. At the end of the day I think I'll end up with about 350 grams extra. Cem.

SkyHawk Newbie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum (IE) USERID: 669784 Bargain Addict! Joined: 15/Nov/2010 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 50	Quote Reply Posted: 12/Feb/2011 at 7:55pm
	My ARF Phoenix arrived the other day. To get this BIG bird in the air I've ordered from HobbyKing FS40-4.0 . Folding Prop Spinner 40mm / 4.0mm shaft.. TGS10x6F . TGS 10x6F Precision Folding propeller.. T2836-1000 . Turnigy2836 Brushless Outrunner 1000kv.. HK-SS30A . Hobbyking SS Series 25-30A ESC.. Just incase the 30amp is not enough HKESC35A . H-KING 35A Fixed Wing Brushless Speed Controler.. HXT900 . HXT900 9g / 1.6kg / .12sec Micro Servo.. x 4 T2200.3S.20 .Turnigy 2200mAh 3S 20C Lipo Pack.. Sean Edited by SkyHawk Newbie - 12/Feb/2011 at 7:57pm

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	Anybody fitted the flaps yet??? If so what BEC did you use if any.... Sean