Turnigy L2210-1650 Bell Style Motor (250w)

 e_lm_70 426 points

Yes, it is perfectly fine for a 1kg airplane, but don't expect 3D flying. Acrobatic fly should not be a problem. If you want more performance you may consider a little bit bigger motor for the job. Maybe something close to 100g motor weight (yes more heavy is the motor , and more power it can handle)

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

no worries

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I have a Master Airscrew 8x4 propeller on mine and I'm using a 30amp jetpro esc, any 30amp esc will do, it depends on your propeller, and battery, it's best to check with a amp meter.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Sorry I can't help with a replacement shaft, but on my motor when the shaft snapped I put a 3mm collet on it, if you look just above this question there's a a purple "FILES" tab if you look in there you will see what I had to do, I hope this may be of some help to you.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

no worries

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I don't have the plane in front of me, the description says 28mm motor? 25mm is pretty small for a 150-200watt motor, ... what gearbox?? do you mean collet for propeller?? this motor is cheap $8, maybe you should by it if you need the shaft length, here's another to consider, PRODUCT ID: D2826-62200, it's a 300watt motor, it's about the same price, fgih I think you should ask this question on motor size on the predator description you may get some one who's built one in that discussion.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

The propeller and the power of the motor determines the thrust, that is probably a printing error.

 Trick2c 8 points

Thanks Ral fRotten, thought it must have been a typo!

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

No, not really, In the picture it looks like you need the shaft out the other end of the motor like this one, PRODUCT ID: NTM2836-1800, and 40-50amp esc depending how hard you push it, It's 180 watts with a 6x4 prop on it which should be plenty for 900grms

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Yes, you could use this motor, it will be very quick plane this motor is 250watts, I have this motor on my teksumo 900grms it has unlimited vertical and very quick with a 8x4 propeller, another motor for you to consider is the AXN floater jet replacement motor, It's about $8 and it's about 180watts suit's a 6x4 propeller it's PRODUCT ID: AXN-2208-2150, it may suit you more not quite as power full but would easily lift a 600gm plane.

 Cagdas 25 points

Thank you actuallay i preffer stable speed more than too much speed. Because i am new in this hobby and i dont wa t to loose control. I also found turnigy L2210-1400 and L2210-1230 but i am not sure. I will also look for your reccomendation but can u sare your idea about mentioned motors too. And propellers tbat i should choose. Thank you

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I looked at both your suggested motors and I think they are also a good choice, normally the lower the KV of the motor Means a larger propeller, I would select your L2210-1400kv with a 8x4 propeller and a 30amp ESC, and a 1300mah 3s 25c battery, I think it would be a good combination for a 600grm plane. If you have an watt/amp meter you could play around with the propellers a bit more...... If you hav'nt flown before I suggest you try FMS it's a Rc flight simulator, it's available on the internet FREE!!! it's much cheaper to crash on a simulator!

 Cagdas 25 points

actually my stock esc is 25A. Wı*ll it be a problem. Or should I change the ESC. Actually there are to many informatı*on about motor esc and propeller confı*g but ı*t is not clear for me. For example ı*f I chose dst 1200 (ı*ts about 160w) wı*th same propeller what wı*ll be the dı*fferance. Actually I am using FMS and as you said it helps too much. And I can easly land and take of planes in the sims. But ı*n real life I crash my 182 while in take of process. The problem was ı* did not think I should trim the controls. And Becasue of the factory defaults my 182 was ı*n very bad condı*tı*on. For exp. the left and right aerlons act differently. So ı* decided to go back to first step and start from begening. Thats why I am searching, questioning and asking too much. Thank you for your help.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

The other motor (160watt) is less power, your esc would be ok for that, Your esc should be ok for the 2210-1400kv motor as well, the max current for that motor is 24amps, as long as you don't fly full throttle all the time your esc is ok for both of those motors. with the smaller motors you get less thrust any of these motors will lift your 600grm plane, as for propellers I like to use a watt/amp meter to check, if you don't have one I would start with a 8x4 propeller and go on from there,.... make sure all your servo's are in a neutral state before you power your plane,..... make sure your CENTRE OF GRAVITY is correct BEFORE you try and fly!!! and while your elevator servo is in neutral just give it a tiny bit of up. also make sure your ailerons, elevator and rudder are moving in the CORRECT directions! that's about all I can do for you,.. It's a learning curve everyone has to take, try and enjoy it, to me the most important thing you do is the "CG" centre of gravity, if that's wrong your plane won't fly properly and will end in tears, good luck Cagdas

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

ps, the ailerons are meant to act differently! bank left is = right aileron down and left aileron up!...... looking from the back of the plane....... make sure this is correct on your plane! .....the elevator up means the elevator goes up!... these have to be correct before you can fly!!!

 Cagdas 25 points

I see. Actually I notice that the aerlons are acting within different range (left one goes up only 5 mm max and the other side goes down 10mm down when ı* want to turn other side right side goes up 8mm and left side goes down 12mm)becasue of the servos. So I am trying to correct it. When I make them equal the movement range is too small. So I decide that to use two seperate servos and mixing them via transmiter instead of using one servo for left and right aerlons as stock setup. Thank you for all your time. and clear answers. I have one more question. Normally ı* am using 32 1300 Mah lipo and they are giving around 12v at their maximum charge. And as soon as u start to use your battery that level goes down and at aroun 8v esc brakes off the motorfor securing the batteries. But within this process volt ration of the batery goes down to around 8 volts. so is it means that 220 W motor will take maksimum 220W / 12V = 18,3 Amp (W = V x A). But when it will reach 8 volt it started to take 220w / 8 V = 27,5 Amp if you still try to use the motor with full throttle. so should I consider the end point Volt of the batteries.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I have never measured the battery's voltage's from charged or discharged, I charge them, use them till I notice a reduction in motor power, then I land the plane, I measure voltage and amps when fitting a propeller to a model and once I'm happy with the current flow I just fly till the motor starts to lose power. I normally carry around 3-5 charged battery's with me so I don't really worry about the battery's, I suppose I rely on the programing in the esc to conserve enough power for a timely landing and so far for me it's always worked out, I just use the standard settings on the esc, but yes if you try to fly full throttle on a discharged battery it may take all the power for the motor causing loss of control of servo's. I have Hobbyking ESC's, turbo-jet esc's, mystery ESC's and some unknown named ESC's I have never needed to reprogram any of them, they are all programmed to reduce power as your battery voltage goes down as a standard setting, and like I said if I notice a power drop I land the plane, sometimes just glide in like the old nitro days of running out of fuel. If your talking about the alarm on the transmitter, I don't have that function so I can't advise you....... By the way when the battery is only supplying 8volts the motor is INCAPABLE of producing 220watts, that is only provided with a fully charged battery, so forget the 27.5amps. the amps will be what ever the battery can produce as it discharges, it MAY get down to only be 5amps, so 5amps X 8volts = 40watts!............Consider the end point of the battery when you first notice the drop in power, that's what I do.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Sorry Cagdas, I forgot, with your servo's make sure they are in central position before you attach the push rods! if they are not central you will get that problem, ALL the servo's on the plane need to be in the centre position before you attach push rods!!!!!

 Cagdas 25 points

thanks Ral after all these advices I checked my servos and adjusted them. Actually yesterday I had problem with take off and I demaged my 182. Actually ı* learned too much thing while looking for a repair solution. Thanks for all your time.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Your welcome

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I'm using a 8x4x2blade on a 900grm plane on 3s and it's at max amps, so maybe a 6x4x3, but I would order a few different sizes till you can check with an amp meter.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

no worries

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

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 Ral fRotten 1077 points

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 Ral fRotten 1077 points

The 30 amp ESC is a good size for this motor, can you get a 7x6 prop on a AXN floater?? this motor has a lower KV than the AXN, so you'll need a bigger prop.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I believe the best thing to do is cut the threaded part of the shaft off and fit a normal 3mm propeller adapter, that's what I did after the shaft snapped at the threaded part of the shaft, my threaded part of the shaft was less than 3mm,

 Elias 6 points

Hi, that is not an option unless I make or buy a new motor mount to make it go past the cowl. I was hoping not to do that. I've searched all over the net for a solution. I've read people have been using collet style adapters and prop savers. The best thing would be a spinner. I think a found one here 30 mm for 3 mm shaft. The original is 28mm.

 Elias 6 points

I found it :-) this one will fit: La Belle Dame 1180mm - Spinner (2pcs) PRODUCT ID: 041000102 It's for the towerpro version with same type of shaft.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Wow! 50mm = 2inch, how big is 1180mm going to be?? are you sure this is the one?

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Here's a 30mm with a 3mm collete built in, PRODUCT ID: Spin-30-3, the threaded part of the shaft on my motor is less than 3mm but the collete should close up on it.

 Elias 6 points

LOL I think it will work. There is only thread way into the cowl. No room for collet style, I have many of them. Specs: Wingspan: 1180mm Length: 916mm Wing Area: 19.5dm2 Wing Loading: 21.5g/dm2 Servo: 9g x 2 ESC: 10A brushless Motor: 2408-21 80W brushless outrunner Weight: 420g I bought the one you mentionet too yesterday for my other non threaded motors

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Ok good luck with it

 Elias 6 points

Tnx :-) Wish you a nice easter :-)

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I reckon a 7X6 prop is best.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

It would be better with a 7x6, I have an 8x4 on it now and it pulls 28amps(too many) at wot, so I go wot sparingly, I'm pushing a 900grm plane with it and it goes vertical no problem!

 firedawg 54 points

I use an 8x6 dd gws (the funny orange ones), 50 flights pulling a Cessna foamy, no problems, motor windings look great, lots of power, I measure 22 amps and around 230 watts so it has worked well, for me. Zippy 1300 mah 3s.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Because there is such a difference, I just checked mine again on a 2200 3s 20c battery with a jetpro 30amp esc, and now I'm getting 24.5amps 240watts with the 8x4 prop, I think the battery condition may alter these figures a bit (my battery's have many cycles on them) but I think firedawg that 8x6 prop your using is not as efficient as the master airscrew I'm using, you have a bigger bite on your prop but your not spinning it as hard, what "C" rating is your 1300mah 3s and the esc rating??

 firedawg 54 points

Ya, I would definitely say my battery is a limiting factor. Mine are only 20c, I had in my stock pile a 7x6 master airscrew but it didn't perform as well as 8x6. I just use those cheap gws, my Cessna has been quite the trainer for me and I like that they break easier than the motor shaft. Lol. On my larger crafts I really like the MA props. 40 amp esc so I know I'm safe there.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I like the apc style props, I have one on my skywalker falcon with a turnigy2826 2200kv and it screams! I only used the 8x4 on the 2210 because I was waiting for the apc to be delivered, but it performed so well I left it on. What surprised me was the amps dropped since I last tested the motor 28amps compared to 24.5amps, maybe the air temperature it's about 35c here today and maybe the battery is a bit older too.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I fitted an 8x4 2 blade prop on this motor on my teksumo, which has an all up weight of around 900grms and it can go vertical no problem, BUT it pulls 28 amps doing it at full throttle the motors max is 22 amps!, I only use full throttle sparingly and so far it's been good! I would say a 8x6x3 prop is too much for this motor and I think the Ideal prop would be a 7x6 twin blade. it has heaps of power to pull or push 900grms.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

solder 3.5mm sockets onto the esc leads,then just plug it in, if the motor turns the wrong way swap 2 of the leads over.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I drilled the holes out and screwed self tappers through the base and into the timber, they were about 1 cm long and about 4mm wide. it will not move.

 FoxThrottle 41 points

M2.5 screws appropriate for a holes in the motor base.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

Yea, I've never bent 1 either but I've had the shaft snap at the threaded part in mid air, I like the motor too I think the secret is to keep the shaft short, I like the power of this motor, I don't like the threaded part of the shaft it's less than 3mm and cannot take the power of the motor unless you shorten it that's the way it looks to me............. Your quin copter will have 6x250 watts of power = 1500watts!! you'll need a car battery to get it up!! LOL! have fun with that.

 Electric Power 466 points

I fly large planes converted to electric so setting batts in parallel should work.that way you double the ma but not the volts

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

The mah tells you how long the battery last's milliamps/hour, the "C" figure tells you how much current you can draw, if you prop a single motor to it's max at 3s it will draw 22amps for 250watts, 22 amps X 6 motors means 132 amps, you could weld 5mm thick steel plates together with that current flow, you would need some serious battery's and serious cable sizes for that sort of current! at full power that is, let us know how you get on with that project it sounds interesting......hmmmm maybe 6 1300mah 3s 25c battery's, 6 20amp esc's that would give a running time at around 10 minutes, and keep the cable size down too, NOW you've got me thinking about it!!!!! good luck!

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

pictures of the damaged aileron and the new prop adapter fitted are in the file area.

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

How many shafts have you bent? and where would you purchase 3mm rod?

 brink 5 points

its not how many shafts you bend its how quick you can be flying again is 20 min quick enought for you all thr best brink

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

It would be cheaper and less frustrating to buy a new motor!

 KaosKane 1429 points

use a 3mm drill bit if nothing else available

 Ral fRotten 1077 points

I know the description says 3mm shaft but mine is smaller! I think it's 2.25mm if I put it in a drill gauge it's way under 3m but bigger than 2mm, using a drill bit is a good idea, hss steel shaft will snap instead of bending.

 Electric Power 466 points

Nick I want to use this motor but on a 2S 20C batt. thinking an 8/4 prop. So from your tests what did you end up in watts

 emulldonang 13 points

hi nickgnz, I confused read your data, can you make more simple? will be appreciated.

 nickgnz 11 points

Sorry formatting is going wrong once I submit it All my tests are here on Google www.link

 nickgnz 11 points

Seem like I can't post a link either Here it is up[loaded to www.link

 tommy2toes 2088 points

Nickgnz, so after all the testing whats the recomendation?

 nickgnz 11 points

7 X 5 3 blade (a cut down HK 8 X 5) 23.6 Amps 11020 RPM 880 Grams Thrust ! 240 Watts Max theoretical plane speed (PitchInches X RPM) / 800 = 69 Kmh

 tommy2toes 2088 points

prop savers work great on this. get the 3mm black prop saver.

 Marcosbr 22 points

Para qualquer motor, basta trocar (inverter) dois dos 3 cabos, que estara invertendo o sentido de rotacao.

 paulo canoas 5 points

No meu F-18 shock-fly eu inverto o vermelho e o preto e fica muito bom.